I saw my doctor...

Winnie53

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I saw my doctor yesterday. It was the first time I've seen him since my blood glucose result of 282 mg/dL (15.7 mmol/L) seven weeks ago. I've read enough here and in the books I've been reading to know what to expect, so I went armed with my Jenny Ruhl book, Bloodsugar 101, food journal and blood glucose monitor.

He assured me that my liver and kidneys are functioning normally. I now have an appointment on Monday to see an ophthalmologist for a diabetic eye exam, which I'm very uneasy about, but it needs to be done.

So glad I brought my blood glucose monitor. After looking at the progress I've made with my blood glucose levels - (135 mg/dL (7.5 mmol/L) 7 day average; 137 mg/dL (7.6 mmol/L) 14 day average; 154 mg/dL (8.6 mmol/L) 30 day average) - he's agreed to allow me 2 more months on the LCHF diet before starting medication, likely Metformin and a statin. A week before that appointment, I will have another comprehensive blood panel and A1C done for comparison to the ones I had done 6 or 7 weeks ago.

He asked me twice if the LCHF diet was a diet I could stay on for the rest of my life. I told him that was my intension. He must have a few other patients on this diet because he was relieved I was eating 30 - 50 carbs a day as opposed to no carbs, which concerns him.

I took the advice I've read here a few times, "just nod a lot". I think this is good advice. It was important to hear him out for this visit. It's been my experience that healthcare professionals respond best to results, not opinion. I'll either have better results in 2 months or I won't.

His last statement to me was along the lines of "I don't know what type of patient you are but some diabetic patients stick their head in the sand when it comes to treatment for their diabetes which is what we don't want." When I told him I'm going back and forth reading 10 different books on diabetes and its treatment, he was blown away. My hope is that I gained some respect there, after having not tested my blood glucose for five years, perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever done.

The hardest aspect of this process for me is figuring out the best strategy going forward for me. There's so much to consider.

Is it a mistake to delay starting Metformin? Or would it be a mistake to give up diet alone after only 6 1/2 weeks? I keep seeing this graph in my mind over and over again from a Jason Fung, M.D. lecture I watched this week. It showed a graph of a patient whose blood glucose remained above normal for 4 months then dropped into the normal range. I need to go back and find that graph to make sure my interpretation of it is correct. [Edit: Found the graph. It showed the patient's reduction in medication, not blood glucose...sigh.]

I'm staying in the 30 carb range. I'm in ketosis. I've lost 10 pounds (4.5 kilograms). My lowest blood glucose so far is 102 mg/dL (5.7 mmol/L). But my BG has creeped up some due to increasing the amount of vegetables I'm eating with every meal because I had to increase my fiber due to intermittent constipation. I'm continuing to refine my daily meals by reducing protein, but struggling with increasing fat. It's so hard deprogramming the belief that saturated and monounsaturated fats are bad.

I think what threw me the most yesterday was the statement that all diabetics are put on statins. Why? Particularly when my triglycerides and HDL are in the normal range. My understanding is that cholesterol and blood lipids do not predict heart attack or stroke, only blood glucose does. What am I missing?
 
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dawnmc

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I would do some research on statins Winnie, personally I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Google Dr Kendrick, his website has a good explanation as to why they aren't suitable for most people. They can actually give you diabetes. Each to their own tho'.
 
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dawnmc, I spent two hours reading about statins last night. It sounds like only 10% experience side effects, which I don't believe, but while it's rare, 1% have significant side effects, often reversible, but not always. I'm going to continue reading on this.

Found some interesting posts and comments here...

http://www.docsopinion.com/

Dr. Sigurdsson is a cardiologist in Iceland.
 
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I would do some research on statins Winnie, personally I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Google Dr Kendrick, his website has a good explanation as to why they aren't suitable for most people. They can actually give you diabetes. Each to their own tho'.

dawnmc, when I reread your post (after getting some sleep) I noticed your reference to Dr. Malcom Kendrick's blog. Hard to stop reading. Also like a TEDx talk Dr. Kendrick linked to, The Truth That Lasts, a 17 minute presentation in which he discusses how we're often misled by research, including research about stents and statins...


Thank you. :)
 
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Statins:

They do push statins on all diabetics.

There was one statin (rosuvastatin) that has been written about in the BMJ this week as doing more harm than good.... However there l is a large choice of statins that GPs can offer.
Some tolerate, some don't. However, do check out tgat your GP has:
1) checked your hdl/ldl and triglyceride levels and not just your total cholesterol
2) all persons should have further tests done 6 weeks after starting statins to check to see if they are having adverse effects that can csuse rhabdmyosis (can't spell).

Tests for statins were conducted on males.. Nit females and so the benefits for women have not been established as positive.

Make sure that your GP Discusses side effects and that you read the instruction leaflets if you do decide to follow your GP advice.

Just because a GP suggests statins does not mean you have to accept the advice.
 
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Thanks donnellydogs and Dibbles1.

For dinner tonight I had 2 - 2 1/2 oz of chicken, 14 - 16 green beans, and my usual 0.35 oz piece of dark chocolate. Tested at 2 1/2 hours and my blood glucose went from 125 mg/dL (6.9 mmol/L) to 174 mg/dL (9.7 mmol/L) and I started the day with a fasting glucose of 107 mg/dL (5.9 mmol/L). Now that I think about it, I also took my high quality vitamin and mineral supplements that are made from organic plants with dinner. Perhaps they are playing a role in the spike. I take 5 capsules in the morning and 6 capsules in the evening.

My view may change, and I do need to do more reading on this, but I'm very wary of statins for now, particularly when my triglycerides and HDL are normal, and my cholesterol and LDL are each only 30 mg/dL above the optimal range. My hope is that I'll see improvements over the next 12 months, now that I've eliminated sugar, grains, starchy vegetables, and fruit from my diet.

I'm thinking I need to lose more weight, that the 10 pounds I've lost so far aren't enough. I'm still 50 pounds above my young adult weight even though I'm only 5 pounds away from entering the healthy BMI range. This weekend I'm going to try to watch some of The Diabetes Summit presentations. Maybe I'll get more ideas there.

I don't know how I'd push through this without the support and experience of you all here. Thank you. :)
 
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Well done so far Winnie, must say this excellent forum got me on the right path. There are a few quibbley people, but that's life and it shows you that the forum is for real people.
I really don't know why a doctor would want to put a 'normal' cholesterol reading person on statins, must have swallowed the book eh!
 

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I thought that was strange too dawnmc, though my lab work isn't completely normal. He gave me the impression that diabetics are held to a higher standard in regards to our cholesterol and blood lipid profiles. I can't help but feel that too many doctors are reading from a script as they talk with us about our diabetes. And to date, they've only wanted to start me on medication, which I find disappointing. Based on what I've learned so far, medication alone does not work well. It's only diet or diet and medication that works. That's why I'm still hoping that diet and weight loss will get my blood glucose down eventually. Hoping... I have a long way to go yet.

If I understood Dr. David Newman correctly in the above posted video, for every 100 people who take statins, only 1 benefits by surviving a heart attack or stroke within 5 years of starting a statin. Given the side effect profile of this type of drug, which I read today is closer to 17%, not 10%, I'm hesitant for now. Will wait to see what my next round of lab work shows, then make my decision.

It's good that you're able to maintain your sense of humor about these things. :)
 
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