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Idiots at the hospital

rstonepal

Well-Known Member
Messages
57
Location
Mira Mesa, CA
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
Dislikes
Diabetic Educators, people who do not listen, people who do not actively try to make their situation better, people who think I am in their textbook, people who think I am a standard T1D.
Last Thursday my mouth/jaw started aching. Within hours it looked as if I was a SciFi bad guy. My husband rushed me to ER where they told me I have something stuck in my saliva gland. It would come out eventually but would cause pain until it passed. Great, I can deal with that, the pain will leave. Because we had waited too long to have this looked at, it was very infected and because I am a diabetic, they wanted to keep me overnight. I agree with that. Happily, and oddly, my sugars were at their constant 110-120, right where I like them and have worked so hard to attain. My diabetes was doing great,,,AS IT ALWAYS DOES,,mostly. While down there in ER, I would take tiny units of insulin, mostly under 1 unit, just to keep it where I like it. I really do know my sugars. I had not eaten for 4 days by then and was living on milk. A very professional Doc came by, while my husband was present, and explained about my mouth and how to deal with it, he said it will come out on its own and I do not need surgery. I needed to stay for a bit longer for fluids and antibiotics. My husband went home,,and it started. A diabetic educator showed up and the very first thing she did was grab my pump. That is the fastest way outside of saying anything even remotely negative about my husband, that will set me off on an angry rampage. To send me right over the edge, all they have to do is,,,push buttons. The de (she does not deserve to be capped, neither did the other doctors and nurses, there I only interacted with a few folks who deserve their titles be capitalized) got on her soap box and started explaining how my settings are wrong on my pump. Oh yes, furious now. Instead of heading off in a youthful huff as I have done up until my 50s, I resigned myself to speak to these people as they are to me, idiot bugs with a very low iq. I don't care how many degrees they have, they have not lived inside my head for the last 51 years with diabetes. They have not had to learn how to weed out the nonsense and find what is perfect for me. They also have not had to fight the medical system to get the tools that have kept me alive and healthy. When the de was Captain Obvious and stated, "You have 13 basal rates set." Instead of being defensive and explaining myself, I said, yes I do, and waited. She looked like I slapped her since I did not offer any explanation. The next one that stopped her and almost got her punched, she freaked out that I have a basal for a few hours at .4. At 6:00-6:45 it changes to .45. At 6:45 until 8:00 it goes back to .4. This one made her head explode, as I knew it would. I was very mean because I knew this would happen and I know she cannot do a thing about it. It agitates des and endos very badly. She commented on it, followed with the standard, I am going to fix this because it does not need to be in there. To which she heard, oh no you won't. Why? Because it works for me, leave it alone. Now listen, that is the truth. It does not matter how furious I was, I could have been happily loopy, it should not matter, that is my pump and my life and I have it that way for a reason. She then grabbed my CGM and proceeded to tell me what a piece of junk it is and that I am not allowed to use it while in the hospital. Bet me. She summarily explained how my CGM does not work as I think it does, letting me know where my sugars are. All it does is show false numbers to me. I had not eaten for a few days by then and although I have insulin nirvana going on, I still need to eat or drink milk when I normally do, at meal time. I told the de my sugar was dropping, I showed her my CGM. It said 47. A nurse showed up and took a finger stick, she showed 50. That proved the de's point, the two numbers were so far off we had to trust the hospital glucoscan. umm, really? I was thinking, omg, I love my CGM even MORE! It had not been calibrated the previous night nor that morning. It was pretty much right on. I calibrated it at that time and my number stayed the same on my CGM. Because that waste of skin de's ego was on the line and she knows more than I ever could, she put a stop to me using my equipment. She wrote it on my bed, on my wall and logged it into my file, I am not allowed to use my pump nor CGM. bet me.

When the de first came to me, she told me she was also a diabetic. I guess it was an attempt at bonding. I don't care if her hair is blue, I don't want to know, I don't care about her at all. 2 hours later before she left, she was discussing my evil CGM with a different nurse and told her that she had worn one of these for a week to see what diabetics see. umm, am I missing something here?

It dawned on me afterwards, why I was so upset about her being negative about my CGM. I used to test my sugars using the Ames acid pills, urine and water. I knew as a child, there had to be a more exact way to know what my sugar is at. Doctors know this, why can't I? When CGMS came out, medical insurance saw it as experimental and unnecessary. They still see it as such and it is a tiring fight to get one and the supplies. I was lectured my whole life, fingerstick 3 times daily. That was always a problem, really, 3 times daily? What happens during those other hours? How does a healthy non human's body do it? And why 3? The answer used to be, and I heard this a lot, my sugars do not change that often nor that fast. bet me. I can go from either 30 to 300 in 30 minutes. I can also go the other way. I am and have always been considered a brittle and fragile diabetic, the weather affects my sugars. Endos would make me crazy, 3 times a day, no, I am not going to do that. Their bodies are checking constantly. I fingersticked every hour while I was awake. My fingertips turned hard like leather, I lost feeling in them, using touch screens was a nightmare and my fingertips were dark. We manipulated my last endo to get me one, and she messed that up too, but that was when the conspiracy theory was confirmed, doctors DID have a way to know exactly what number I was at! I went from 9.1 A1C to 5.9. I fought like a crazy person for this. All my emotions, hope and happiness were contained in this one item and it turned out to be exactly what I wanted and needed. If I was stranded in a hospital full of idiot medical staff, I would want my CGM, take my pump, don't touch the CGM. When the de started being negative, it hit me totally wrong because she is wrong. It may be that way for her, it is not that way for me, I need and use my CGM like my life depends on it.... The bottom line on this one, she frivolously dismissed something that is the most important part of my life.

She left after 2 hours. It was lunch time, I needed milk! Nope, only clear liquids because of my diabetes. My sugar went hypo. They ran in with that red snot in the toothpaste tube. Not just 1 tube, they gave me 4 double tubes. I also have delayed gastric emptying. That nasty stuff kicked the DGP into action and the stomach pain and vomiting started. A female doc showed up and told me we need to fix my diabetes, I am not allowed to use my equipment and had them write on my board, the reason why I was in there was to get my sugars in control. Oh wow,,,what? Really? How did that happen? What happened to my mouth? By now I am fit to be tied, they took away my CGM, my pump, electronically confined me to the bed, gave me the red goo that I have always gotten stomach cramps and comatose sugars from,,, I was not in the mood for additional stupidity. Oh yes, it got worse.

As I said, they gave me an overdose of red snot. I was cry begging to please do not make me take that, just give me 4 oz of whole milk. They SHOVED that **** down my throat, one nurse had to hold me down the other shot that stuff into my mouth. Then the idiots released me from liquids and lunch arrived. I told them A. I need to eat the food for my DGP, the pain was getting bad B. I cannot eat the food because they already sent me hyper. They said no they did not and made me eat. Once my room cleared out, I grabbed my CGM and pump and dosed. Although I did not have the exact reading from a fingerstick, I felt hyper and knew I was high. I cannot imagine how high my sugar would have gone if I had not been dosing at the same time. I was unaware, however, they had me on an insulin drip line. Oh no. Not only an insulin drip line but a dextrose drip line also. Who comes up with this bs? I had 5 different IV needles in my arms, today they hurt pretty bad but are healing. Every time a nurse came in, I would tell her I need insulin, my sugar is going to rise. The doc did not write orders, sorry chump, sucks to be you and just deal with it. I showed one of the nurses my CGM and it said,,,HIGH. I was over 400. They checked it and I was at 433. They gave me more insulin and that is when I found out I was getting insulin through the IV. I stopped dosing.

dr ping showed up. He told me I need surgery and because I am a diabetic, it will be in depth. They will cut me from chin to jaw hinge and take out the rock. Wait, what happened to the other guy? ping told me he was going to write up the orders, no food, no insulin, no carbs. I lost the fight. It hit me hard, I started crying and begging him to not do this. Please listen to me, I know what I need and what has to be done, please. He ran out of my room. 30 minutes later they transferred me off of that floor. Upstairs I heard my nurse in the hall discussing me and how I was transferred up there because I was uncooperative and ugly. No, I was ****** off, I was not in there for my diabetes and that is what they wanted to fix. Then, 2 different doctors telling me 2 different things within hours of each other? And by this time, my sugar was as they wanted it, out of control and bouncing around. I was getting the headache, the aches and the stomach issue. Because they were causing my sugars to be erratic, it proved the lady doc's concern, my diabetes was in jeopardy and that is why I was there. She told me ping is the best doc at the hospital and if he says I need surgery, I need surgery. Therefore, blah blah, start the cycle again, I am sick of hearing this by now. The rest of the day was filled with the same fight to stay sugar happy.

The next day, bright and early, I was messing with my mouth when an odd hard plastic feeling piece came out. It was hard but skin colored, oh I held onto that thing, I knew what it was, the young Doctor told me it would come out in a few days, he was right, who is the best doc now? We put it in a jar. I alerted anyone who would listen and happily showed it off to them. A few hours later they scheduled me for surgery. I panicked again and I rudely said, "My husband and I would like to wait on the surgery for a bit, I do not think I am ready for it." I did not mean to say it so rudely, but they were not listening. They did not hear that either. The lady doc showed up, discussed how badly I was doing with my diabetes, told me how to prep for surgery, told me I need to trust the doc, he knows what has to be done, and left. My mouth had stopped hurting and was doing the relief pain. The swelling had begun to subside and you could actually touch my skin without me screaming. My sugars were still bouncing between 20 and 500. At that time, it was high so the lady doc had them give me more insulin to bring down my sugars before 4:00 pm when I was set for surgery. I could only get out of the surgery if I spoke with ping. He would be here any moment. He was on his way. He just sent word,,,,6 hours later, at 3:00, he showed up. He looked at the rock and said yes, that is exactly what they saw and that is it. Keep in mind, this is a floater contractor surgeon. He does not get paid by the hospital and my insurance, he gets paid by me directly. Thus, we figure he was happy and that is why he mentioned me being a diabetic and having to have surgery. I will not say the word I am thinking right now. He then told me that the scar under my tongue will not heal pretty like the other side. I think I choked and spit. Really? I smiled and told him, I don't really ever look under my tongue so I really do not care what it looks like. He told me some people really get upset at how ugly it is and he can go in and do surgery to clean it up. Again,,,really? ping and the first male Doc were the only two who kept on track about why I was there. Everyone else went stupid crazy and I thought I was there for my diabetes.

I have been home for 2 days now. I am feeling much better, my sugars are right where they should be. My pump is full and my CGM is fully charged....Life is amazing!

The de started
 
Just goes to show that the wrong people in a hospital can cause all sorts of trouble. Personally, if I was in the US and this had happened to me, I would be considering suing the hospital for assault and negligence. As that strikes me as what had occurred...
 
You poor bu**er, sue `em.
 
Crikey and I thought my treatment was horrendous on NHS with my mastectomy!
Crikey.... They should be sued.... It is so scarey that people that are trained from text books do not listen to the patient that knows there bodies and reactions.

I told my nurses I was hoing low pre op and they checked blood and insisted I needed more insulin on sliding scale.

I literally begged them to stop and listen to me as I knew My levels were dropping.

I literally was under 4.0 when I was dragged and stumbled walking to the theatre. By the time I got there and asked to do my blood again I was under 2.0 and swearing at the surgeon that he was going to kill me on the operating table. Never even got a chance to sneak a last chance look at my breast before it was sliced off. They knocked me out with anaetshetic whilst I was hypo to shut me up swearing at the consultant and anaethetist!!

Worse came afterwards...
 
Beggars belief, it really does.
 
That would not be allowed in the UK, false imprisonment springs to mind if you were not free to leave the hospital. Assault charges would also be an option if you were force fed the hypo treatment against your wishes.
 
Oh wow. How did you deal with that? Were you by yourself? I am so VERY happy to be reading a post from you my friend! Given our tenacity, I will be reading posts from you for MANY years to come!
 
Given the time of day this rant was posted, I guess it relates to USA or Canada, not NHS services in UK?
Yes, I live in Sunny Southern California. At least I had a nice window,,,to throw someone out of. That is probably why there was no way to open it.
 
 
Yes, I live in Sunny Southern California. At least I had a nice window,,,to throw someone out of. That is probably why there was no way to open it.
Ahhh - In the US, at least, you have the right to refuse treatment.

I've had to do that for myself and my daughter a number of times. First time was in 1988 when stupid interns tried to make me bleed out with too much heparin. They were so smug that I couldn't possibly be right they had already hooked me up for two test runs, since based on the half-life of heparin I should have had virtually nothing left in my system. The third time I put my foot down and refused to let them turn the machine back on. As I predicted, they would have been dumping more heparin into an already dangerously over-heparin infused body. I got lectured the next day by my real doctor for being mean to the interns - but at least I was alive to be lectured to.

Don't let them push you around - take someone with you if you need backup. In my family, NO ONE who is not capable of fending for his or herself in my family EVER goes to the hospital alone. Too many stupid things happen there. When you're not really sick, but you're stuck stuck in the hospital for a month , you learn about all sorts of things that go on there that they don't want you to know . . .

Sorry you had to go through that.
 
I think the system has gotten worse, nay, I KNOW it has gotten worse. When ping scheduled my surgery and I knew what came out of my mouth was the problem, right away I told the nurse no surgery. Response: It is not my call, the doctor has to make the decision. An hour later we got the official scripts, he pushed through the surgery. 5 hours later, after frantically telling them I will not agree to this and we could not do anything until my husband got there, my brain went into meltdown. Even while he was talking with me he figured he would use the surgery time to just clean out the gland. I don't care how ugly that little piece of weirdness looks, I don't look at it anyway and have not looked at it since I was probably a toddler. And I doubt anyone else will look at the thing, I have never seen my daughters and I certainly have not, nor do not want to see my husband's.

The saddest thing about this, we are a pretty large group of cool people we diabetics. If we really wanted to, we could build our own Metropolis filled with us only and it would be over populated. With that many of us out there and the number growing constantly, how is it the medical industry has not caught up to us? Actually, anyone with a condition. I cannot imagine what they would have done to me if I had Lupus.
 
Neohdiver, I was telling my husband about your experience and wondering what happened to cause hospitals to put heparin in everyone's IVs? I never had that as a child and I never had any problem. We were discussing how ping was really pushing for me to go through with the surgery while I was saying absolutely not. He reminded me then, why I could not refuse surgery. I was in a different hospital a month ago for Diabetic Gasteroparesis. They were doing exactly as I was taught not to do when I developed this, they made me eat 3 large meals daily. The pain just kept increasing, the dehydration became very bad and the vomiting did not cease. I am supposed to eat at least 5 tiny, few bites of food, daily. My husband told my medical group we refuse to do that. The payment collector came by an hour later and informed us, if we refuse ANY treatment, our insurance company will not pay for any of it and we will be responsible for the complete bill. That stopped me from leaving completely without notice. I did something brilliant tho, I did NOT eat a complete meal and I got out of there as fast as I could. They thought I ate everything, they had me electronically confined to the bed.
 
The payment collector is wrong. I've had many battles with insurance, as well - and have won every battle I've chosen to fight. There are some bizarre things they can do (like converting a screening colonoscopy to a diagnostic one when they find something during the screening . . . so you go in expecting to pay nothing and come out with a huge bill.) but they can't refuse to pay for any treatment because you refuse some part of it.

The heparin is really two questions.

I was specifically being treated for a condition that required heparin - it was the sole reason I was hospitalized. I just ran into idiots who didn't realize that sometimes bodies don't process things according to their charts.

More broadly, they go back and forth about whether a hep-lock (that capped catheter they put in so they don't have to re-stab you each time they want to hook up a new IV) has to contain heparin or not. In 1988 they all contained heparin - to keep the blood near the cathether from clotting off the catheter. In 1998 (when I was hospitalized for the same condition) they apparently decided that clotting wasn't an issue, had switched to saline.
 
You are awesome! I would happily take you with me to the docs. Oh,,,,,I would love for you to come with me to see the diabetic educators. Not just to stop them but to keep me from punching them.
 
Oh wow. How did you deal with that? Were you by yourself? I am so VERY happy to be reading a post from you my friend! Given our tenacity, I will be reading posts from you for MANY years to come!

To be honest, its been a struggle since. I will not see any NHS medical person by myself.

Now I am accepting that I have kept control of my diabetes but lost control due to stupidity of others that should have known better and to ask for my medical records for my health problems. Unfortunately with cancer things are out of my control as far as dome things are concerned but I will do everything I can to fight it like I have previously done with my diabetes....

I can't get back or undo bad care but have to accept that I will have to be more aware and prepared for anything else in the future. I am currently facing the prospect of my colon being removed and having to have a bag...and I know I have to get well prepared if this outcome happens.

Its learning for me but also a complaint to my NHS Hospital so that others never have the most dire care that happened to me.

Live and learn but try to move on!!

Hope you are well and will look forward to seeing more posts from you!! Best wishes. Xx
 
donnellysdogs, this is the first time I even have an inkling of where people get that admiration for me. I usually want to slap them, they should admire themselves for making it all these years, I am just a person with a condition. Reading just a little of your life and how you word your post, I understand the admiration thing as I think you are an amazing person! I guess that is why people comment to me, anyone else, at least the people I know in real life, would have rolled over and gone to eternal sleep. I thought I was doing great at this point, nay,,,,you are amazing.

Thank you for being the person who helped me begin to realize, we really are kind of amazing aren't we?
 
Thank you so much!! Exactly how I felt when reading your post!

You have made me realize that what we go through isn't the same as the average person. My thoughts are nowadays that I just want people to get better treatment than I had. I can't change my experiences but can learn from them and try to stop medics from bad treatment to others.

Never thought myself amazing but it is a lovely thought to go to sleep with.

Thank you so much...you are very special indeed.
 
I also have problems with colon working so I fully appreciate the delayed gastric emptying that you have. Its hell and medics in general in ER haven't got a clue what it means!!

Bet you are so relieved to be at home. Hope you are feeling better.
 
I also have problems with colon working so I fully appreciate the delayed gastric emptying that you have. Its hell and medics in general in ER haven't got a clue what it means!!

Bet you are so relieved to be at home. Hope you are feeling better.
The ridiculous DGP is supposedly a chronic condition. I do not agree. It is not based upon anything other than I am hard headed. I have tried everything to stop the pain. I was in ER twice monthly on a good patch and twice weekly on a normal patch. I have tried everything. The last time I was in ER for the DGP was 3/9, back again 3/12 with hospital stay till 3/14. That was a totally different nightmare and given what they put me through and what I had to agree to so I could escape, I should have been back in ER within 3 days. It has a feel to it so I know what condition it is in. Someone suggested,,,Smooth Move tea. My stomach was full of 3 humongous meals that were just sitting there rotting. I kind of went overboard, the tea has a very lovely taste and I drank 3 cups. I drink a cup, only 1 every morning. That seems to fix the lower pain My husband buys it at Vons......
 
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