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Having to forswear foods I have loved all my life.
Trying to find low carb meals when eating out.
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That is why you lose weight. You put out insulin to process protein otherwise you have a build of ammonia and you die. The insulin doesn't know that it is only supposed to process protein it changes some of your blood sugar into fat. Then your body is not happy with the lower blood sugar and the liver changes fat into sugar. This process uses a lot of energy and you lose weight.
I'm not sure where you're going with this? My understanding is insulin is produced in response to elevated glucose levels. Excessive carboyhdrate consumption obviously leads to higher blood glucose, and then insulin stimulates storage in lipocytes. The counterpart is glucagon, which stimulates conversion of fats and protein into glycogen and then glucose via gluconeogenesis.
So to lose weight, ideally we want to reduce carbohydrate intake to stimulate gluconeogenesis so the body uses up it's own fat reserves. So for T2's, that generally means cutting the carbs, and keeping an eye on fat & protein consumption depending on whether you're going for weight loss, or weight maintenance.
I'm not sure that fat is a major player in gluconeogenesis; I think it mainly features protein.
Takes a lot of energy, though.
The most I can find about the role of insulin in gluconeogenesis is that it works with glucagon to control gluconeogenesis. Insulin and glucagon are the two hormones which are supposed to balance our blood glucose levels by stimulating or preventing the production of glucose from the liver. My guess is that glucose is released from the store in the liver, and if the body calls for more then gluconeogenesis is fired up in the liver to produce more.
I think "reduce carbohydrate intake to stimulate gluconeogenesis so the body uses up it's own fat reserves" is not really correct. My understanding is that when we go very low carbohydrate the body turns to burning fat directly for energy (so we lose weight) and have a very low need for glucose - some brain functions and blood cells mainly. Protein mainly is used to via gluconeogenesis to maintain the level of glucose in the blood, along with the few carbohydrates in the diet.
One message from all this is if you are very low carbohydrate and running on fat, then any protein not needed directly for maintenance of muscles will be fed through gluconeogenesis and turned into glucose. This in turn means that if you eat a lot of protein you will produce a lot of glucose, which will be stored as fat.
This is why LCHF should be 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% carbohydrates. This is also probably one reason why I am not losing weight at the moment.
One reason why weight plateaus could be the reduction of Insulin Resistance as you lose weight. Once you are down to your fighting weight and have reduced IR to normal or near normal levels then any little indulgence, such as a few carbohydrates or a bit too much protein, will be easily stored as fat. Your body is running very efficiently and needs very little glucose because it is burning fat so any small excess gets tucked away back in the fat cells.
I'm not sure that this is entirely correct. I have recently been reading that GNG is more demand driven so that if your body needs the glucose it will create it from protein otherwise excess protein gets excreted. This certainly seems to be the case with me as I am a protein guzzler but it doesn't seem to boost my sugars and I am the same weight as I have been for the past 6 months. At the moment it seems to be a bit up in the air.One message from all this is if you are very low carbohydrate and running on fat, then any protein not needed directly for maintenance of muscles will be fed through gluconeogenesis and turned into glucose. This in turn means that if you eat a lot of protein you will produce a lot of glucose, which will be stored as fat.
I know it's wiki, but:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis
So can be fat or protein.
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My head is spinning with all this conflicting information. I'm not sure what is the best way to lower bs and lower weight.
My head is spinning with all this conflicting information. I'm not sure what is the best way to lower bs and lower weight.
My head is spinning with all this conflicting information. I'm not sure what is the best way to lower bs and lower weight.
A while since I read up about this, but in the diagram I think the fats go in at the bottom which is a longer pathway requiring more energy and so is not the preferred pathway.
I may be reading it wrong, but I think it is saying that nearly all gluconeogenesis uses protein.
I.. don't think it's conflicting, it's just we're complicated creatures when you dig down into the metabolic detail. Especially as some of it isn't understood completely. For fun, look up 'metabolic syndrome', which is a thing.. but docs aren't entirelly sure what thing, or why it's a thing.
For me, the TL;DR version is go LCHF. Carbs easily convert to blood glucose and you can see that happening if you eat to your meter. Once you get the glucose down, then experiment with how much fat & protein you eat. That takes a bit of time for your body to adjust, but most people here have a lot of success with LCHF.
Basically weight loss or specifically fat loss is inversely proportional to the level of circulating insulin. The more insulin we have circulating in our system, the less fat loss.
Given that T2D have elevated insulin response and are typically highly insulin resistant, it takes very little carbs to raise the level of circulating insulin. Hence fats metabolism is inhibited.
The difficulty South Asian/Asian face may be more cultural than genetics. We live in a predominantly high carbs and previously agricultural society that requires hard labour. Now we are urbanized, yet continue with the high carbs diet. It is natural then that we see the growing epidemic that is the result of high insulin levels.
Hello! how did you manage to bring down your HbAic so quickly and every month? I am Asian was diagnosed at HbAic at 7% four months ago am on Glucophage 1000 mg x day which is not helping much.
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