While many of us are unable to tolerate anything else if we want to control our diabetes.
LCHF means low carb high fat and is a ketogenic diet. Nobody is forcing anybody to do this but if you want to achieve ketosis LCHF is a very good way. What is confusing is that OP claims she is on LCHF while questioning the 80E% fat content.
Well maybe she is one of those who could not tolerate that amount of fat in a day you can't force yourself to eat fat if it doesn't suit youWhile many of us are unable to tolerate anything else if we want to control our diabetes.
LCHF means low carb high fat and is a ketogenic diet. Nobody is forcing anybody to do this but if you want to achieve ketosis LCHF is a very good way. What is confusing is that OP claims she is on LCHF while questioning the 80E% fat content.
Yes you are right we all have to do the LCHF diet in the way that suits us personally LCHF is not a one size suits all diet we all do it differentlyI think we all need to interpret the HF component @Totto , to suit our own circumstances.
When I first heard of the LCHF method, I tried eating plenty of cream, butter, cheese etc. basing my meals on high fat ingredients. I gained weight, and felt nauseous. I really wish I was able to base my diet on a very high ratio of fat, because it is delicious.
My own version of a LCHF diet would now be to include some fat at each meal, no refined carbs, very little complex carbs, mainly vegetables of the non-starchy variety with some meat or fish.
So what do you suggest people do then when they are unable to tolerate that amount of fat in a day Some people have other medical issues that mean a diet high in fat is not suitable for them so how about them. Are you saying that anyone who can't tolerate that amount of fat can't do LCHFWhile many of us are unable to tolerate anything else if we want to control our diabetes.
LCHF means low carb high fat and is a ketogenic diet. Nobody is forcing anybody to do this but if you want to achieve ketosis LCHF is a very good way. What is confusing is that OP claims she is on LCHF while questioning the 80E% fat content.
Annie - They can do LCEF if that's the case. I prefer LCHF because I have a lot of weight to lose and need to get into ketosis to do this. I find 80% fat is easier if you are not having a huge amount of total calories. You don't need to lose weight so this isn't necessary for you.
I think the point of the OP's post was that 80% fat a day could be to much for some people even some of those doing LCHF not everyone would be able to tolerate that amount of fat every day
So if you do lchf why do have a problem with the for LCHF completely normal 80E% fat?
I do find all this nit-picking about LCHF to be a tad tiresome. Every health recommendation that ever was will have to have been adapted by certain minorities. I myself couldn't exercise for 30 minutes 5 times a week due to a heart condition, but I didn't rubbish that recommendation for everyone else. I could see the sense in it and did my best to do what I could manage every day, even if that was only walking 50 metres for an entire day.
This is a diabetes forum, so the advice here is for diabetics. Yes of course many of us have other conditions, but we can't have sections for 'type 2's with AF and asthma' or 'types 1's with epilepsy and kidney disease' so we need to adapt the recommendations if necessary to suit ourselves, just like I did with the exercise. It's common sense surely.
@Pipp So you discovered EF on your own? That's exactly what I'm talking about, then tell others that what suited you, great! That's what a sensible person does.
I am not following a ketogenic diet, I am eating a lot less carbs and have increased my fat intake. By this method I have got my b.g sorted and lost 10% body weight in 3 months. LCHF does not have to mean 80% fat.
I have no idea what percentage of the calories in my diet comes from fat and I have neither the time nor the inclination to work it all out. I very much doubt it would be 80%.
Dr Deakin's article was aimed at the general public not the diabetes forum. A large percentage of the readers have probably dismissed her as a crank (or Atkin's) because of her extreme statement.
We live in a country where many people are struggling to feed themselves and their families. Many people would not have the time, the understanding or the finances to follow this diet. Moreover, when you eliminate any major food group from your diet you have to know what you are doing to ensure nutrient intake, fibre intake, adequate digestion and electrolyte balance.
If everyone in the country ate an 80% fat diet we would have to increase the production of animal based products and when animal production goes up for the west, people in third world countries lose out.
The advice we have been given about carbs and fats in the past is wrong (and Dr Deakin will probably have known that for a long time). However, carbs are cheap and some foods such as bread, cereals and marg, which may be a staple for struggling families, are fortified. So there is a lot of work to do in the public health arena in order to ensure that people eat well and do not go hungry. I don't believe everyone, even diabetics, needs to follow a ketogenic diet, we just need to change the proportions and get more exercise.
So is my mention of enough fat nit picking or telling others what works for me, or both?
To be sure, nit picking was not my intention, sorry if it appeared that way.
So what do you suggest people do then when they are unable to tolerate that amount of fat in a day Some people have other medical issues that mean a diet high in fat is not suitable for them so how about them. Are you saying that anyone who can't tolerate that amount of fat can't do LCHF
Which isn't then LCHF!I am not following a ketogenic diet, I am eating a lot less carbs and have increased my fat intake. By this method I have got my b.g sorted and lost 10% body weight in 3 months. LCHF does not have to mean 80% fat.
I have no idea what percentage of the calories in my diet comes from fat and I have neither the time nor the inclination to work it all out. I very much doubt it would be 80%.
Dr Deakin's article was aimed at the general public not the diabetes forum. A large percentage of the readers have probably dismissed her as a crank (or Atkin's) because of her extreme statement.
We live in a country where many people are struggling to feed themselves and their families. Many people would not have the time, the understanding or the finances to follow this diet. Moreover, when you eliminate any major food group from your diet you have to know what you are doing to ensure nutrient intake, fibre intake, adequate digestion and electrolyte balance.
If everyone in the country ate an 80% fat diet we would have to increase the production of animal based products and when animal production goes up for the west, people in third world countries lose out.
The advice we have been given about carbs and fats in the past is wrong (and Dr Deakin will probably have known that for a long time). However, carbs are cheap and some foods such as bread, cereals and marg, which may be a staple for struggling families, are fortified. So there is a lot of work to do in the public health arena in order to ensure that people eat well and do not go hungry. I don't believe everyone, even diabetics, needs to follow a ketogenic diet, we just need to change the proportions and get more exercise.
I am not following a ketogenic diet, I am eating a lot less carbs and have increased my fat intake. By this method I have got my b.g sorted and lost 10% body weight in 3 months. LCHF does not have to mean 80% fat.
I have no idea what percentage of the calories in my diet comes from fat and I have neither the time nor the inclination to work it all out. I very much doubt it would be 80%.
Dr Deakin's article was aimed at the general public not the diabetes forum. A large percentage of the readers have probably dismissed her as a crank (or Atkin's) because of her extreme statement.
We live in a country where many people are struggling to feed themselves and their families. Many people would not have the time, the understanding or the finances to follow this diet. Moreover, when you eliminate any major food group from your diet you have to know what you are doing to ensure nutrient intake, fibre intake, adequate digestion and electrolyte balance.
If everyone in the country ate an 80% fat diet we would have to increase the production of animal based products and when animal production goes up for the west, people in third world countries lose out.
The advice we have been given about carbs and fats in the past is wrong (and Dr Deakin will probably have known that for a long time). However, carbs are cheap and some foods such as bread, cereals and marg, which may be a staple for struggling families, are fortified. So there is a lot of work to do in the public health arena in order to ensure that people eat well and do not go hungry. I don't believe everyone, even diabetics, needs to follow a ketogenic diet, we just need to change the proportions and get more exercise.
I think you should give My Fitness Pal a go. You may be surprisedI am not following a ketogenic diet, I am eating a lot less carbs and have increased my fat intake. By this method I have got my b.g sorted and lost 10% body weight in 3 months. LCHF does not have to mean 80% fat.
I have no idea what percentage of the calories in my diet comes from fat and I have neither the time nor the inclination to work it all out. I very much doubt it would be 80%.
Dr Deakin's article was aimed at the general public not the diabetes forum. A large percentage of the readers have probably dismissed her as a crank (or Atkin's) because of her extreme statement.
We live in a country where many people are struggling to feed themselves and their families. Many people would not have the time, the understanding or the finances to follow this diet. Moreover, when you eliminate any major food group from your diet you have to know what you are doing to ensure nutrient intake, fibre intake, adequate digestion and electrolyte balance.
If everyone in the country ate an 80% fat diet we would have to increase the production of animal based products and when animal production goes up for the west, people in third world countries lose out.
The advice we have been given about carbs and fats in the past is wrong (and Dr Deakin will probably have known that for a long time). However, carbs are cheap and some foods such as bread, cereals and marg, which may be a staple for struggling families, are fortified. So there is a lot of work to do in the public health arena in order to ensure that people eat well and do not go hungry. I don't believe everyone, even diabetics, needs to follow a ketogenic diet, we just need to change the proportions and get more exercise.
I don't believe everyone, even diabetics, needs to follow a ketogenic diet, we just need to change the proportions and get more exercise.
You can only interpret High Fat to a certain point after which it stops being high fat. Generally I'd say HF sits around 75-80%.I think we all need to interpret the HF component @Totto , to suit our own circumstances.
When I first heard of the LCHF method, I tried eating plenty of cream, butter, cheese etc. basing my meals on high fat ingredients. I gained weight, and felt nauseous. I really wish I was able to base my diet on a very high ratio of fat, because it is delicious.
My own version of a LCHF diet would now be to include some fat at each meal, no refined carbs, very little complex carbs, mainly vegetables of the non-starchy variety with some meat or fish.
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