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Insulin pump eligibility tool?!

BeccyB

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Type of diabetes
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@Administrator I thought this would be a useful tool but I'm really disappointed by it.

My understanding is that the NICE Criteria are much more stringent than this implies and basically this just encourages anyone interested in getting a pump to go with a certain manufacturer. It's just a tool for getting people to sign up to a Medtronic marketing list!

(Anyone that doesn't know what I'm talking about, see the Type 1 forum 'stickies')
 
@Administrator I thought this would be a useful tool but I'm really disappointed by it.

My understanding is that the NICE Criteria are much more stringent than this implies and basically this just encourages anyone interested in getting a pump to go with a certain manufacturer. It's just a tool for getting people to sign up to a Medtronic marketing list!

(Anyone that doesn't know what I'm talking about, see the Type 1 forum 'stickies')
Couldn't agree more.
 
@Administrator I thought this would be a useful tool but I'm really disappointed by it.

My understanding is that the NICE Criteria are much more stringent than this implies and basically this just encourages anyone interested in getting a pump to go with a certain manufacturer. It's just a tool for getting people to sign up to a Medtronic marketing list!

(Anyone that doesn't know what I'm talking about, see the Type 1 forum 'stickies')

Sorry, I don't understand - what is disappointing? This is a pump eligibility tool created based on the latest NICE criteria (at least to our knowledge), based on this. (This is the current eligibility criteria.)

Medtronic are simply a partner to process a pump enquiry if you are eligible and are also interested. There is no obligation - if you don't want to enquire with Medtronic, don't go any further. 18% of people do not go further. You won't be added to any Medtronic mailing lists - however, they need confirmation that we are able to pass your data to them, so the mailing list claim is false. Data protection is very tight around this, so apologies if this comes across in the wrong way.

The process is that you would be contacted by a Medtronic team member who would discuss the options available. We trialled it 3 months ago and it was successful in helping people who were interested in pumps. 250 people went through during the trial and it was particularly beneficial for parents of children with type 1 diabetes. Our intention is to help, we don't mean it to come across any other way.

Nothing like this has ever existed, so apologies for any disappointment - but we're very excited by it. We have had a number of happy parents let us know that they had been searching for something like this. I'm happy to address any concerns. I think you may have misinterpreted something (or vice versa). I am happy to put you in contact with a rep at Medtronic if you would like clarification on anything.
 
I tried it out and it said i wasn't eligible - lucky my DSN and consultant disagreed - since I started on a Medtronic pump a couple of months ago.
 
With respect admin all prospective pumpers need do is visit INPUT who in an unbiased way will point them in the right direction.
http://www.inputdiabetes.org.uk/

Agreed, that's a fantastic resource. However, they don't have a tool to assess eligibility, and that's what we're trying to provide. :) We don't seek to replace, merely complement x
 
This is just to tease people into thinking they can get a pump more easily that the NICE guidelines have changed but they haven't. I cross referenced my answers from the tool with the NICE guidelines and the tool is pretty much a fake, not sure who made it but they must be desperate for people to sign up and generate revenue from advertising. I don't meet the guidelines for a pump according to the NICE guidelines, but from the tool I do.

Just raises peoples hopes and slaps them in the face.
 
Strictly, the NICE guidelines are not the only thing that pump clinics go on. The ABCD criteria can also be used to create a case, although it is slightly more difficult with the CCG. In that respect, @nmr1991, the answer it comes back with is not wholly rubbish.
 
Agreed, that's a fantastic resource. However, they don't have a tool to assess eligibility, and that's what we're trying to provide. :) We don't seek to replace, merely complement x
Eligibility is only how the team dealing with you interpret the NICE guidelines.
I was told I did meet the guidelines if I used Apidra in a pump but not if I used the insulin of my choice.
 
Eligibility is only how the team dealing with you interpret the NICE guidelines.
I was told I did meet the guidelines if I used Apidra in a pump but not if I used the insulin of my choice.

How bizarre! We weren't aware of that. Suppose it's never as clear cut as it appears. We can get someone from Medtronic to explain more if that would be helpful?
 
How bizarre! We weren't aware of that. Suppose it's never as clear cut as it appears. We can get someone from Medtronic to explain more if that would be helpful?
Basically the pump clinic were doing research so if you wanted a pump it was compulsory to take part in it whether you wanted to or not. Highly illegal.
I had my funding via the PCT with care from GP.
Basically pump clinics make up the rules as they go along regarding who has a pump and who doesn't.
 
my h1ac results show me has having good control, guess what I Dont, no hypo warnings, no hyper warnings and Iam still struggling to get a pump.

Rules are rules I suppose but my life, some need changing
 
Basically pump clinics make up the rules as they go along regarding who has a pump and who doesn't.
Exactly. The NICE guidance states:

"It is recommended that CSII therapy be initiated only by a trained specialist team, which should normally comprise a physician with a specialist interest in insulin pump therapy, a diabetes specialist nurse and a dietitian. Specialist teams should provide structured education programmes and advice on diet, lifestyle and exercise appropriate for people using CSII."

As a result, you can end up with a lot of overheads involved. The pump discussions at Guy's include the following "guidance" (based on what I was told by the DSN):

  • You must do a DAFNE course (My biggest bugbear - why do I need to relearn how to count carbs and do my ratios? Explain this one to me again please???)
  • You must have an assessment with the clinical psychologist regarding pump use. (I think I probably need it more for the clinic to understand why this gets my goat)
  • You must undergo pump training sessions (I can read a manual, pumping insulin and internet forums. Why are there multiple sessions to do this? I work in a technical environment and forgive me but these things are far from complex. With an hour to go over the idiosyncrasies of a pump, it's all pretty straightforward from what I can see.)
I know they have to be able to meet all the H&S pieces to make sure that people understand how to use a piece of technology, but I fail to understand why someone can be given two pens containing different insulins with little guidance and sent on their merry way, and yet you need to undergo tons of training to get hold of something that is simply a different mechanism to kill yourself by accident. The sole difference is the cost of doing so.

If you are going to misuse something expensive then it's considered much more of an issue.
 

Exactly. The NICE guidance states:

"It is recommended that CSII therapy be initiated only by a trained specialist team, which should normally comprise a physician with a specialist interest in insulin pump therapy, a diabetes specialist nurse and a dietitian. Specialist teams should provide structured education programmes and advice on diet, lifestyle and exercise appropriate for people using CSII."

As a result, you can end up with a lot of overheads involved. The pump discussions at Guy's include the following "guidance" (based on what I was told by the DSN):

  • You must do a DAFNE course (My biggest bugbear - why do I need to relearn how to count carbs and do my ratios? Explain this one to me again please???)
  • You must have an assessment with the clinical psychologist regarding pump use. (I think I probably need it more for the clinic to understand why this gets my goat)
  • You must undergo pump training sessions (I can read a manual, pumping insulin and internet forums. Why are there multiple sessions to do this? I work in a technical environment and forgive me but these things are far from complex. With an hour to go over the idiosyncrasies of a pump, it's all pretty straightforward from what I can see.)
I know they have to be able to meet all the H&S pieces to make sure that people understand how to use a piece of technology, but I fail to understand why someone can be given two pens containing different insulins with little guidance and sent on their merry way, and yet you need to undergo tons of training to get hold of something that is simply a different mechanism to kill yourself by accident. The sole difference is the cost of doing so.

If you are going to misuse something expensive then it's considered much more of an issue.

I guess it varies hospital to hospital...

I had already done DAFNE, but all my consultant really needed to know was that I understood carb counting etc.

I've never seen a psychologist ever. I wouldn't object if I had to, but it has never come up.

The pump training was an hour with the pump nurse and involved her handing it over and showing me how it worked - it was in no way a big deal, but meant that I knew how it worked (including a few not-in-the-manual tips and tricks) and that they knew that O was ok with it.

Re getting the pump in the first place, again, I think it varies fairly significantly depending on your hospital.
I didn't meet hba1c criteria (though as I said to my consultant, I could easily have run things high for a few months to manipulate the results - it's a rather naive requirement), but I get a bit of dawn phenomenon (who doesn't?) and was ready to argue it re the lifestyle criteria (the reason I wanted it was to deal better with sport/activity etc).
In fact, all that happened was that I told the consultant at my clinic that I thought Is benefit from a pump, she agreed and taut was it - I was approved. That part took about 5 minutes.
There were a few delays with ordering etc, so I actually waited another month or two before it was in my hands, but the whole thing was pretty painless.

I am aware that I was lucky to have it so easy, but if anyone is interested or thinks that they might benefit from pumping, I'd definitely start out by just asking - it might be easier than you think!
 
I'm going to say it. Personally I hate Medtronic I can say this with 5 years experience behind me. Many times doctors have tried to convince me to go back. Fundementally the only reason is Medtronic out bid other companies so sell more on mass for cheaper when there is other technology out there. My frustration is each pump no matter the brand will suit different lifestyles so it's annoying to be given one because it's cheap
 
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