Roseanne01
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- Messages
- 81
- Location
- St Georges Basin, NSW, Australia
- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
- Treatment type
- Insulin
- Dislikes
- 'isms'. Not being able to eat potatoes.
Interesting. Low carb usually assumes more protein.
Emmasndco I crossed over to type 2 diabetes in 2005 so was 10 years diabetic without any treatment in 2015 when I began eating carbs in the 30 - 42 carb range. Today, I probably eat just under or above 50 carbs a day. We are very fortunate as type 2's because we can manage our diabetes with diet and exercise alone.
The problem with treating type 2's with insulin and medication is that the insulin worsens insulin resistance and the medication gives you the false impression that you're okay as the diabetes continues to progress - (which your doctor likely doesn't know; so glad he told about the severe insulin resistance because he's right!). Too often, when type 2's inject insulin, it allows the disease to progress and within two or so decades, the complications begin. Chronic Kidney Disease is a huge problem down the road for us when glucose levels and hypertension aren't well controlled.
This is what lead Canadian nephrologist Jason Fung to begin searching for other treatment options for his diabetic patients, who often had Chronic Kidney Disease too. He supports his patients by using fasting (and the low carb diet). After years and years of following the standard of care - (medication, sometimes insulin) - he had a treatment strategy that works!
I think you'll find this recent interview with him life changing...
After listening to his online lectures and interviews - (there are many) - I join mazza 2 in encouraging you to read The Diabetes Code by Jason Fung, MD. One of our group's members recently had surgery, read the book, began intermittent fasting, and after more than a year of "kind of eating low carb", has significantly dropped her glucose levels. Her surgeon was amazed at how quickly she's healing!
There is hope.
That said, there's some thought that when diet and exercise don't work, there's a possibility that "heavy metals" in the body are the driver of the uncontrolled diabetes. That said, I'd take a hard look at what foods you're eating, your actual carb count, and adding intermittent fasting first before exploring that possibility.
Glad you're asking questions. I struggled for 10 years with my diabetes before I found the low carb diet. It and now intermittent fasting have made all the difference for me. Hopefully, it can for you too!
Interesting. Low carb usually assumes more protein.
Not sure where you've come across that information. It's a common myth though. LCHF/Keto is high fat, not high protein.
I quite agree that diet and exercise does not work for everyone and some will need medication. I sometimes think it depends why you got diabetes in the first place. I think there are many reasons, for instance, the majority of people who get type 2 are overweight (regardless of why e.g. insulin resistance), it seems for these people (and it's only what I've noticed) once they change their diet and introduce exercise they seem to reverse their diabetes quite quickly. For people who are not overweight, it sometimes appears it takes longer or maybe that's only me!! But, there maybe some people who have got diabetes due to stress, anxiety or other medical reasons. With this category of people, unless they can address the reasons for their stress or medical problems, they may not be able to reverse their condition with diet alone. I appreciate it is still better to address their diet and eat foods which have low impact on insulin levels to try and keep complications at bay, but there is a place for medication for some and I don't think they have failed. To be honest, if I hadn't found this website and leant about low carb diets I would have taken the advice from my diabetic nurse and eaten all the foods which would have made my condition a lot worse. It's only my opinion, but thought I'd share.
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To be honest, if I hadn't found this website and leant about low carb diets I would have taken the advice from my diabetic nurse and eaten all the foods which would have made my condition a lot worse. It's only my opinion, but thought I'd share.
How true, how very true!
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This is not true. Most Type 2 diabetics eventually need insulin. If you feel that a different diet changes this, please point me to the published, peer-reviewed research. I'm not interested in a book some guy is selling.We are very fortunate as type 2's because we can manage our diabetes with diet and exercise alone.
This is also not true. Insulin resistance is caused by many factors, but insulin itself does not cause it or worsen it.The problem with treating type 2's with insulin and medication is that the insulin worsens insulin resistance and the medication gives you the false impression that you're okay as the diabetes continues to progress -
Again, not true.The more circulating insulin in your body, the more resistant you will become,
Requiring less insulin does not impact insulin resistance. Insulin resistance increases insulin production, but increased insulin production does not increase insulin resistance.If you want to reduce your insulin resistance it makes sense to reduce carbs and thereby requiring less insulin. Exercise also helps, as does intermittent fasting (such as skipping breakfast).
This is not true. Most Type 2 diabetics eventually need insulin. If you feel that a different diet changes this, please point me to the published, peer-reviewed research. I'm not interested in a book some guy is selling.
This is also not true. Insulin resistance is caused by many factors, but insulin itself does not cause it or worsen it.
Again, not true.
Requiring less insulin does not impact insulin resistance. Insulin resistance increases insulin production, but increased insulin production does not increase insulin resistance.
They have a right to make informed decisions without being judged as having given up the "fight" against their disease.
Hi like you i was diagnosed type 2 in Nov 2016 over the following two years my medication was changed a lot finally after 10 weeks of constant high readings i was put on insulin Nov 2018 recently had a cpetic test which showed my body was also producing insulin but my antibodies result was high therefore I am told this means my antibodies are killing off my own insulin therefore I need to inject to counterbalance the effects this meaning i am now type 1.5 but as I get older I will eventually be classed as a type 1 . I am soon to be 56 and this late onset will advance as I get olderhi,
A little bit about me , I was diagnosed type 2 aug 2014. Been on various meds, currently on metformin, gliclazide, trulicity and humulin I insulin. Try to LCHF with no more than 50g carbs per day. I exercise regularly. my gp has come to the conclusion that I’m very insulin resistant. I’ve been on insulin around 3 months. My blood sugar levels have gradually increased since December with readings between 17 at the lowest and Hi.
I have a couple of questions
1. My Gp believes I an still making plenty of my own insulin (following a c peptide test) any ideas why he has put me on insulin? Surely it is just putting even more insulin in my body that I don’t need.
2. I had a phone call with my diabetic nurse from the hospital today. I explained that my evening dose of insulin (26 units) leaves me sick and not wanting to eat after around 10-15 mins of injecting. She blamed the trulicity for doing this, which I think is bizarre. Any explanations on her thinking?
Thank you.
Perhaps it’s because a reasonable number have delayed or avoided it so far. Or choose to post in other areas of the forum.There's a reason that this part of the forum is dead, despite most Type 2 patients eventually needing insulin - it's because we are constantly inundated with admonitions to avoid insulin because it will supposedly worsen our disease, and constant pushing of a diet which is not the solution for many of us.
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There's a reason that this part of the forum is dead, despite most Type 2 patients eventually needing insulin - it's because we are constantly inundated with admonitions to avoid insulin because it will supposedly worsen our disease, and constant pushing of a diet which is not the solution for many of us.
Back off, and stop spreading nonsense.
There's a reason that this part of the forum is dead,
Well this statement is plainly wrong. The numbers don’t lie
despite most Type 2 patients eventually needing insulin - it's because we are constantly inundated with admonitions to avoid insulin because it will supposedly worsen our disease, and constant pushing of a diet which is not the solution for many of us.
Partial true, but mostly outdated and wrong on so many levels. The numbers don’t lie
Back off, and stop spreading nonsense.
@poemagraphic if you click on the search button you can read all of MEValentijn's posts. She's been living with a very challenging medical condition for 10 years and some of the diabetes care she's received has not been helpful. Sadly, the standard of care, a pill for every ill, does not serve us very well. But in fairness to the doctors, it's a real challenge to provide much else in a 6 minute appointment. Thankfully, there are a few exceptionally competent, caring local doctors out there who made a huge difference in my life. I've been very lucky in that regard. And so many doctors who took the time to teach what they've learned through books: Richard Bernstein, MD, Jason Fung, MD, Robert Lustig, MD, Stephen Phinney, MD, Jeff Volek, PhD, Sarah Hallberg, MD, Jeffrey Bland, PhD, the father of Functional medicine, and Mark Hyman, MD who was greatly influenced by Jeffrey Bland's work. Ivor Cunnins, though not an doctor, he's an engineer with a real knack for digging into the research. I could go on...
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