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Insulin resistance

Discussion in 'Type 2 with Insulin' started by Emmasndco, Apr 10, 2019.

  1. Roseanne01

    Roseanne01 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. Low carb usually assumes more protein.
     
  2. Winnie53

    Winnie53 Type 2 · BANNED

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    Not sure where you've come across that information. It's a common myth though. LCHF/Keto is high fat, not high protein.
     
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  3. Roseanne01

    Roseanne01 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Several dietitians actually. In Australia. Though talking low carb as Lichfield is not a big thing here. I’m glad it’s working for you, but I'd like to note that we're not all the same, and one doctors magic potion for one may well be another diabetics poison.
     
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    Roseanne01 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Lichfield = low carb high fat
     
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    poemagraphic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Can I just copy this to save me having to typing out ... "
    To be honest, if I hadn't found this website and leant about low carb diets I would have taken the advice from my diabetic nurse and eaten all the foods which would have made my condition a lot worse. It's only my opinion, but thought I'd share.

    How true, how very true!

    Po
     
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  6. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    I think you will find this applies to the vast majority of us!
     
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  7. MEValentijn

    MEValentijn Type 2 · Active Member

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    This is not true. Most Type 2 diabetics eventually need insulin. If you feel that a different diet changes this, please point me to the published, peer-reviewed research. I'm not interested in a book some guy is selling.

    This is also not true. Insulin resistance is caused by many factors, but insulin itself does not cause it or worsen it.

    Again, not true.

    Requiring less insulin does not impact insulin resistance. Insulin resistance increases insulin production, but increased insulin production does not increase insulin resistance.

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  8. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    Please explain the source of your opinion. It’s outdated and dangerous. Indeed the attitude that deterioration is inevitable no matter what is the “giving up” your refer to. The giving up any of your self control of your condition. No one in here to my awareness thinks the taking of required medicines designed to supplement life style changes is failure, just far less required than historically believed.

    In the meantime I’ll go source some of the research you request and I’m certain that others in here can do so too.
     
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    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    In the meantime take a look at this sub forum. Plenty of anecdotal evidence that low carb works and no one is making any money whatsoever from the vast majority of us in here.
     
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  10. MEValentijn

    MEValentijn Type 2 · Active Member

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    There's a reason that this part of the forum is dead, despite most Type 2 patients eventually needing insulin - it's because we are constantly inundated with admonitions to avoid insulin because it will supposedly worsen our disease, and constant pushing of a diet which is not the solution for many of us.

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  11. Lowcarb 2

    Lowcarb 2 Type 1.5 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi like you i was diagnosed type 2 in Nov 2016 over the following two years my medication was changed a lot finally after 10 weeks of constant high readings i was put on insulin Nov 2018 recently had a cpetic test which showed my body was also producing insulin but my antibodies result was high therefore I am told this means my antibodies are killing off my own insulin therefore I need to inject to counterbalance the effects this meaning i am now type 1.5 but as I get older I will eventually be classed as a type 1 . I am soon to be 56 and this late onset will advance as I get older
     
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  12. Winnie53

    Winnie53 Type 2 · BANNED

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    [I see that there's been quite a few responses posted since I started and completed my post. I'm responding to MEValentijn only.]

    @MEValentijn I work during the day and am watching the Kick Sugar Summit today through Friday, but will try to go back and read your prior posts this week to understand better your experiences and understanding of the science. For now, I will defer to HSSS and others to respond to your statements.

    In the meantime, I encourage you and anyone else reading this to attend the Kick Sugar Summit. Pediatric endocrinologist and researcher Robert Lustig, MD is one of the experts today. He, more than anyone else, has helped me to understand metabolic syndrome, pre-diabetes, and type 2 diabetes, obesity too. Some with T2DM have learned how to manage their sugar cravings. Perhaps you have. I do okay, but sometimes struggle, particularly when working long hours or stressed.

    The event is free. Each day's experts will only be available for 24 hours. Register here to get the link to each day's presentations... https://kicksugarsummit.com/

    Here's the link to today's experts... https://go.kicksugarsummit.com/kss-2019-day1

    For now, please know that I have no wish to bully anyone. Some truly need to use insulin or medication.

    That said, so long as I can manage my diabetes without medication and/or insulin, I will continue to do so. My fasting glucose level was 124 mg/dl this morning. I crossed over to T2DM in 2005. I'm 14 years into this. I have not previously nor do I currently use medication or insulin. Starting the low carb ketogenic diet in February 2015 changed my life. I average eating 50 carbs a day, take nutritional supplements, and walk frequently. My lab work today, for the most part, is the best it's been in my entire adult life - (I had reactive hypoglycemia in my 20's so it's been a long road for me).
     
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  13. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    Perhaps it’s because a reasonable number have delayed or avoided it so far. Or choose to post in other areas of the forum.

    Either way I’m not inclined to interact further with your rudeness. If you want a polite discussion let me know and I’ll spend my time looking up some research and evidence you are apparently unaware of.
     
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  14. Winnie53

    Winnie53 Type 2 · BANNED

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    @MEValentijn I read all your posts tonight. One of the things I learned is that you have ME/CFS. I'm unfamiliar with that condition, but after reading a brief description, I "get" that it would make doing even the most basic tasks challenging. You've really been through a lot. 10 years is a long time to be so unwell. I'm so sorry.

    How are you learning about type 2 diabetes? Google Scholar? Google? YouTube Videos? Books? Diabetes websites/forums? National, regional, or local diabetes organizations? Online education events? Are there any diabetes researchers or clinicians whose work you follow? What I'm trying to understand is where you're getting your information?
     
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  15. poemagraphic

    poemagraphic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    “Back off, and stop spreading nonsense” Back at you!

    Tut tut! Please at least try and be civil.

    All I can attest to is LCHF certainly works for me.


    Oh! And countless others, who do not take any notice of advice from people who have not tried or experienced the huge benefits nor taken the time to read up and understand the science behind how it works, and why it works, and for vast numbers of us who are willing to just give it a go and see.


    The wise man said “It could not be done”

    The fool not knowing this, went out and did it anyway!

    I guess that’s me.

    Po
     
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    poemagraphic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It is a shame that I am unable to view your profile. You must have a good reason to hold the views that you do.
    Which I fully respect. We all have the right to hold our own opinions.

    I trust your diabetes is well under control.
    Po
     
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    Winnie53 Type 2 · BANNED

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    @poemagraphic if you click on the search button you can read all of MEValentijn's posts. She's been living with a very challenging medical condition for 10 years and some of the diabetes care she's received has not been helpful. Sadly, the standard of care, a pill for every ill, does not serve us very well. But in fairness to the doctors, it's a real challenge to provide much else in a 6 minute appointment. Thankfully, there are a few exceptionally competent, caring local doctors out there who made a huge difference in my life. I've been very lucky in that regard. And so many doctors who took the time to teach what they've learned through books: Richard Bernstein, MD, Jason Fung, MD, Robert Lustig, MD, Stephen Phinney, MD, Jeff Volek, PhD, Sarah Hallberg, MD, Jeffrey Bland, PhD, the father of Functional medicine, and Mark Hyman, MD who was greatly influenced by Jeffrey Bland's work. Ivor Cunnins, though not an doctor, he's an engineer with a real knack for digging into the research. I could go on...

    Edited to add... Terry Wahl, M.D., Nasha Winters, ND.
     
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    Winnie53 Type 2 · BANNED

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    Here's the link for Day 2 of the Kick Sugar Summit... https://go.kicksugarsummit.com/kss-2019-day-2-tues To register and receive the daily links, go here... https://kicksugarsummit.com/

    It's going to be a sleepless week. Lots of good interviews...

    For anyone who's dealing with cancer, Nasha Winters, ND is interviewed today. She's incredible. She's been living with her cancer for 25 years if I'm remembering correctly, still has cancer, and is not only alive, she's thriving. Going to listen to her interview first today.
     
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  19. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    I think it’s the profile rather than previous posts @poemagraphic refers to.

    Yes @MEValentijn certainly has had a difficult and complicated journey with diabetes and other conditions complicating the treatments . Her care does seem to have been lacking. But that very fact makes her stand outside the “typical” type 2 experience. In her posts she states she does limit carbs 50-100g and has gone through many different medications (the slow long route unfortunately) for the diabetes before arriving at insulin.

    That poor personal experience does not mean everyone or even most will end up there, nor that they should go straight there. She herself has changed her diet to lower carb thus making the statement that a different diet doesn’t change this outcome a little puzzling.

    Accusations of spreading false information, bullying and lying aren’t helpful. Nor is accusation of being judgemental or spreading nonsense. Just because low carb wasn’t enough to control her diabetes when put in the context of her ME it does not mean anyone has judged her (she jumped through lots of hoops and had no other options imo) all anyone seems to say is that people should consider other options first . Nor does it mean that it doesn’t work for a good majority of those who try it because it does!

    I have compassion for anyone who has had such a difficult journey. I am absolutely fine with alternative experiences and opinions. But sweeping statements not supported that go against the experience of a huge number of forum members passed off as facts is misleading to new members and somewhat the pot calling the kettle black. And as for the abusive comments rather than reasoned and polite discussion of differing views I have no further comment to make

    Edit to add @MEValentijn i realise this sounds a little odd as I refer to you in the third person but I was replying to @Winnie53. Please swap she for you etc as appropriate
     
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  20. Winnie53

    Winnie53 Type 2 · BANNED

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    Agreed. I think one of the things that people with bad tempers do not understand or choose to ignore, myself included, is how damaging temper is to our relationships. When I suffer an upset, even on the forum like yesterday, I have a hard time sleeping. That said, I've always chosen to help the bad tempered too, but its at a cost. I can do it to a point, but I have my limits too.
     
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