Is a high fat diet stopping your weight loss?

[Etty]

http://www.ssib.org/web/index.php?page=press&release=2010-4

Just been reading through this article which suggests that if you are overweight and eating too much fat it maybe the cause of your weight stall.
Seems the fat reacts differently in overweight individuals and does not stimulate gut hormones that suppress appetite as it does in lean individuals.

Well, it's impossible to say what it suggests, there's not enough information and no published paper to refer to. Useless. These sort of articles are fishy don't you think- more like propaganda.

 

[Etty]

[/quote]
TBH most people who low carb eat less fat than they think becuase unless you drown everything in it then it is not that easy to eat.[/quote]

If you eat butter and cream, it couldn't be easier to eat, but I do think there are some people who don't like fat. I'm not one of them.

[/quote]Some seem to also resort to making concoctions of fat in drinks - mmmm.[/quote]
You mean like coffee with cream, I do that all the time.

[/quote] When people harp on about sat fat being fine they do forget the large amounts in crisps, chips etc - that is what needs cutting down[/quote]
That's one of the benefits of a LC-HF diet, most junk is off the menu, you're automatically moved into a healthier way of eating.

 

[catherinecherub]

http://www.ssib.org/web/index.php?page=press&release=2010-4

Just been reading through this article which suggests that if you are overweight and eating too much fat it maybe the cause of your weight stall.
Seems the fat reacts differently in overweight individuals and does not stimulate gut hormones that suppress appetite as it does in lean individuals.

Well, it's impossible to say what it suggests, there's not enough information and no published paper to refer to. Useless. These sort of articles are fishy don't you think- more like propaganda.

I obviously do not draw the same conclusions as you. It is ongoing research and there is no paper available yet. It is trying to research why different individuals have a different response to fat in the diet.
Anything that helps us understand obesity is surely welcome? Cannot see it as propoganda.

 

[Ka-Mon]

Patch, I'm curious as to how much fat you eat a day?

I don't know about Patch, but here is my average grams of fat/month over 5 months on a LC-HF diet :
123, 126, 120, 110, 117g.

Hi Etty,

Your fat consumption is actually not that much as opposed to what I understood Patch is talking about, especially if they include polyunsaturates and monounsaturates.

Some LC-HF diets advice 50-70% fat per meal, now that's what I call a LOT of FAT. Maybe that's what Patch also means but I don't know because he hasn't said and as I pointed out in my last posting he himself said that he believes eating fat didn't do him any favours.

I am a person who asks a lot of question before I can be convinced and turned in to a "believer" but if my questions are ignored and no answer is given then the person will never convince me to believe what he/she wants me to believe.

Patch claimed that fat goes straight through (Ithink we all know that that is not true, not even olive oil goes straight through if you eat too much of it) I commented on this but Patch just ignored it, no one else has backed his claim either. I'm sorry but I can not take a persons advice just on his say so, especially when that person only a couple of weeks ago said that eating fat didn't do him any favours.

He hasn't given any answers to Catherine's questions either, can't be that much of a private secret because he told someone how much he weighs in another thread. He could have at least told us that he lost some weight, if he has that is. Ignoring these does not do him any favors either. Of course he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to but if anyone claims something then the onus is on them to give us some proof in order to make us believe them.

I was hoping to get some answers because I am trying to stop my BGs going into double figures. Thankfully that does not happen a lot but it would be good if I can keep them as low as possible.

BTW, do you eat animal fats or do you cut the fat off either before or after frying the meat? Even lean mince meat has some fat in it, do you buy lean or fatty mince meat? What about pork belly, bacon, sausages etc?

If I don't get the answers I'm looking for then I am left with no choice to stay away from LC-HF until some else comes along and convinces me that I will not do myself any harm by following his/her advice.

 

[Synonym]

If I don't get the answers I'm looking for then I am left with no choice to stay away from LC-HF until some else comes along and convinces me that I will not do myself any harm by following his/her advice.

I don’t really think that whether one forum member convinces another about LC/HF is a good enough reason to use it yourself. We are all so very different and before trusting any regime with your future health one should always ‘test and see’ very carefully. You don't actually know anyone on this forum and nor are there any guarantees so unless you are prepared to ‘do your own homework’ I would agree that you should indeed steer clear of LC/HF.

The actual linked article is about a study being conducted on whether there are any differences between how lean and OBESE individuals respond to the taste of fat. There is concern that “A reduced ability to taste and react to fat could lead to overeating and obesity.”

For the purpose of this thread the research has been ‘tweaked’ and stretched so that it can be used as a basis for a discussion on whether your weight loss has been stalled due to eating too much fat - perhaps this is a stretch too far! :roll:

 

[Ka-Mon]

If I don't get the answers I'm looking for then I am left with no choice to stay away from LC-HF until some else comes along and convinces me that I will not do myself any harm by following his/her advice.

I don’t really think that whether one forum member convinces another about LC/HF is a good enough reason to use it yourself. We are all so very different and before trusting any regime with your future health one should always ‘test and see’ very carefully. You don't actually know anyone on this forum and nor are there any guarantees so unless you are prepared to ‘do your own homework’ I would agree that you should indeed steer clear of LC/HF.

"test and see" might be a quick way of bringing the BG's down but will it do me any harm in the long run? This is what I am trying to find out by asking question to those who are already on the diet and have tested it.

Isn't asking questions a part of doing ones "homework"? It's just like asking diabetes related questions, you don't ask, you don't learn.

 

[sugarless sue]

I low carb but I do not eat a lot of fat because I cannot tolerate it. I used to eat a lot of nuts but found that, when I cut down on them, my weight loss started again so possibly the high fat content of the nuts was preventing me from losing weight.

I am never very hungry on the diet I use so do not miss high fats at all.

 

[Patch]

Crikey - lots of action in this thread!

Regarding my fat intake - I don't restrict it. If I fancy a bag of mcadamia nuts, I'll have 'em, and I'll eat the whole bag (although, I've almost completely replaced maca's with pistachio's right now - they're high in fibre, and I eat less of 'em because they take longer to shell and eat!). These 70% fat diets sound excessive to me - but that's not to say I wouldn't give it a go (to lose weight). BUT - how on earth do you eat a meal that is 70% fat?!? Is it cheese dipped in mayonaisse with salad dressing on the side? :wink:

When I say hi-fat (for me at least) that is just in contradiction to the lo-fat mantra that we are all fed. I don't restrict my fat intake, but I don't thinbk I could eat a meal that was 70% fat.

Basically - I'm not as afraid of fat as I used to be. I also stick to certain fats for cooking: Butter, Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Coconut Oil.

For dinner last night I had 2 chicken breasts, stuffed with cheese and wrapped in bacon. I had baby sprouts in a double cream/cheese sauce on the side. This is one of the meals I eat occaionaly that I would consider hi-fat.

Another meal I often eat is a rib-eye steak with fried egg and mushroom (fried egg & mushrooms cooked in buter). Again, I consider this hi fat due to the butter used for cooking, and the fat running through the rib-eye.

I make lots of curries (from scratch), that I would consider lo-fat. The only fat I use is a little coconut oil for frying the meat and the onions. Obviously, no rice! :wink:

Really I just want people to realise that fat should not be avoided at all costs. It is a tool that we have available to us as diabetics, and I hate to think that people are missing an extremely useful tool in the fight against high BGs because thy have been told to avoid fats at all costs.

 

[catherinecherub]

Synonym wrote,[quote="

For the purpose of this thread the research has been ‘tweaked’ and stretched so that it can be used as a basis for a discussion on whether your weight loss has been stalled due to eating too much fat - perhaps this is a stretch too far! :roll:[/quote]

????? I think I am allowed to ask questions or do I have to run them past you first? IMHO it is quite a valid point and asking questions is how we educate ourselves surely? Having read the article my question was put forward to ask if anyone felt this might be an issue with them, as we do get people here, regardless of control, who have weight stalls.

 

[Ka-Mon]

Crikey - lots of action in this thread!

Regarding my fat intake - I don't restrict it. If I fancy a bag of mcadamia nuts, I'll have 'em, and I'll eat the whole bag (although, I've almost completely replaced maca's with pistachio's right now - they're high in fibre, and I eat less of 'em because they take longer to shell and eat!). These 70% fat diets sound excessive to me - but that's not to say I wouldn't give it a go (to lose weight). BUT - how on earth do you eat a meal that is 70% fat?!? Is it cheese dipped in mayonaisse with salad dressing on the side? :wink:

When I say hi-fat (for me at least) that is just in contradiction to the lo-fat mantra that we are all fed. I don't restrict my fat intake, but I don't thinbk I could eat a meal that was 70% fat.

Basically - I'm not as afraid of fat as I used to be. I also stick to certain fats for cooking: Butter, Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Coconut Oil.

For dinner last night I had 2 chicken breasts, stuffed with cheese and wrapped in bacon. I had baby sprouts in a double cream/cheese sauce on the side. This is one of the meals I eat occaionaly that I would consider hi-fat.

Another meal I often eat is a rib-eye steak with fried egg and mushroom (fried egg & mushrooms cooked in buter). Again, I consider this hi fat due to the butter used for cooking, and the fat running through the rib-eye.

I make lots of curries (from scratch), that I would consider lo-fat. The only fat I use is a little coconut oil for frying the meat and the onions. Obviously, no rice! :wink:

Really I just want people to realise that fat should not be avoided at all costs. It is a tool that we have available to us as diabetics, and I hate to think that people are missing an extremely useful tool in the fight against high BGs because thy have been told to avoid fats at all costs.

Patch, where did you hear that we are being told to "avoid fats at all costs"?

What I was told was to avoid "saturated fats" but NOT "at all costs", we are still allowed to eat lo-fat products that contain small amounts of saturated fats. If it was as you claim than we would not be allowed to eat any products that contain fats and as most products do contain fat we would have to become vegetarians but avoid using olive oils as well in cooking or in our salads as well as any dairy products. That would be an untolerable life for me.

Anyway, never mind, I give up and will not be asking any more questions regarding "high fat is good for you".

 

[Patch]

What a shame that I wrote that WHOLE post and all you picked up on was the last 5 words. :roll: Probably just as well that you do give up...

 

[noblehead]

Really I just want people to realise that fat should not be avoided at all costs. It is a tool that we have available to us as diabetics, and I hate to think that people are missing an extremely useful tool in the fight against high BGs because thy have been told to avoid fats at all costs.

Never heard this one before Patch, were you really told to 'avoid fats at all costs' ?

Perhaps you may want to educate the person who give you this advice on the difference between healthy mono/polyunsaturated fats and the unhealthy trans/saturated fats.

Nigel

 

[Ka-Mon]

What a shame that I wrote that WHOLE post and all you picked up on was the last 5 words. :roll: Probably just as well that you do give up...

Patch, it wasn't the "last five words" I "picked up on", it was the whole of the last paragraph. :wink:

The reason why I gave up Patch is because you never answered any of my questions or anyone else's for that matter. You replied to my OP but when I/we asked you questions you just ignored me/us completely. You also claimed that "fat goes straight through" but when I challenged you, you totally ingnored that as well.

And then you make a false claim that we are told to "avoid fats at all cost" but again you ignored it and did not comment at all on what I said.

Sorry Patch but if a salesperson ignored your questions like you ignored mine/ours, would you still buy (to you) an unknown product from him/her or would you walk away disappointed and disgusted with that person?

Herewith endeth my contribution to this thread. I'm sure I'll find the answers I'm looking for elsewhere.

 

[catherinecherub]

As the OP I would ask that a Monitor close this thread as it is serving no purpose and going nowhere.
All I asked was if high fat was stalling weight loss for anyone and did not expect some of the responses.
I have been accused of tweaking and stretching the research, :roll: :roll: High fat has been put forward as a way to control Type 2 diabetes with very little to substantiate this claim, including some dubious and misleading answers and it is getting very confusing.

 

[Anonymous]

In accordance with the OP's wishes this thread is now being locked. Debate seems to be going back to the old high fat / low fat arguments which have been heard here many times before and we agree that the thread is going nowhere.

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