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Type 2 Is it possible to reduce HbA1c levels by losing weight ANYWAY u can

Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by bootyful0, Apr 23, 2018.

  1. AdamJames

    AdamJames Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes, for me. I lowered from my HbA1c very considerably during a few months of experimentation using all sorts of methods, with the only common theme being weight loss.

    For me (and I can't stress enough "for me") there are two very simple rules of thumb:

    1) I need to limit carbs in order to avoid harmful spikes after a single intake of food.

    2) I need to limit calories in order to have healthy fasting blood sugar levels.

    If my weight increases, my fasting levels increase to dangerous levels. This is regardless of carb levels, e.g. they can be 20g a day or 300g a day. If I'm in a period of weight loss (the important aspect there being my liver is cleared of fat, I think) then my fasting levels decrease, again independent of carbs.

    I'd bet real money based on every time I've tested this sort of thing, that I could eat nothing but crisps and cake all day, but so long as I limited calories to say 1,600 and went on a walk tonight, I'd wake up tomorrow with a very healthy fasting blood sugar level, because I am in a period of weight loss.

    But I don't eat cake and crisps all day, because the HbA1c is not the only picture. It's been demonstrated in a study that two people can get the same HbA1c, but the one who achieved that by always keeping their blood sugar levels below 7.8 2 hours after a meal by eating sensible, low-carb foods, are much less likely to develop diabetic complications. And that's all that's important really - avoiding the complications.

    I can get away with carby foods so long as I go on a walk straight afterwards and I'm well established in a period of losing weight. Right now, calories are my main focus. It's working well and I'm enjoying it. But I'm still very carb conscious. I generally keep them low, and will only consider going higher if say I'm in the hills at the weekends or about to go on a walk in the evening.

    You have to find what works for you. Make an honest appraisal of your past behaviour with food, how disciplined you are, how likely you are to give in to binges, what you binge on etc. Based on posts in this forum, the most successful method of weight loss seems to be LCHF. It seems to take some adjustment, then people start to like it, and it often automatically reduces people's appetites. It kills three birds with one stone - keeps carbs low, keeps insulin low to make it easier to burn body fat, and keeps appetite low. That doesn't mean it's right for you, if you haven't found that it reduces your appetite (I didn't) then you will need to calorie count.

    With the combination of calorie counting and testing your blood sugars before and after meals, and testing your fasting blood sugar, and weighing yourself to make sure you are losing weight, you won't go far wrong no matter what approach you use.

    One thorny issue is the radical reduction of resting metabolism as you lose weight. When you get to your target weight, expect to need to eat a lot less than other people of your size if you don't want to regain weight. The effect may be permanent or at least last for very many years. Short term studies show alternate day fasting minimises the reduction in resting metabolism, but a year-long study says weight loss will be roughly the same as plain calorie restriction.

    Other short-term studies show you can restrict calories normally and may stand a chance of keeping your resting metabolism up if you occasionally over-eat (see fourth image in this study, i.e. the first graph):

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018593/

    That looks very promising, but then so did the studies on alternate-day fasting. So far, no long-term study says that any one method of weight loss is radically better than another. I think the main thing is we all need to expect a battle if we are to lose weight and keep it off for 10 years.
     
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  2. bootyful0

    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks CL, I know your right, test test test its the only way. Thanks for help.
     
  3. bootyful0

    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi Adam James
    Thank you so much for that. I really appreciate this. I have not read the link yet but will read it tonight when I have a bit or quiet and peace so i can digest it all. This is really help full. Everyone here have been great as usual. Im feeling positive again because I am starting to regain my focus. Thanks to you and all.
     
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    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that. It might be the way I have to deal with my pasta craving for now. Eat it then walk. thanks again
     
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    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Ahh Ive just looked that up. I have not tried it. I gonna give it a go tomorrow and then test. I wont go mad. I know that carbs are addictive but I need to get this out of my system. Thanks for the tip
     
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    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks ickihun. Not sure why I have suddenly started craving stuff, I think I will have to get it out of my system. Bulkbiker also advised over boiling etc the pasta so im going to try this and then test but like many on here advise I dont want to end up carb-bingeing like i used to do. Thanks again
     
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    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Brunneria. Thank you so very much. I like the idea of starting again with a clean slate and just eating to my meter to see how it goes. It sounds like a plan. Thanks again
     
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    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Rachox. I have tried them and I know they taste ok. I think i am just going through some weird phase that i need to get over. by the way your HbA1c is impressive. thanks again
     
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    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the suggestion Bamba. Sounds nice
     
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    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi Hiitsme. Thank you so much. I think this is the message i am getting from all you lovely people. My plan is to start again , try different things, test and eat to my meter. I feel better now. Im going to re read over these messages again tonight. Buy brown pasta in the morning and enjoy it in the evening then test. Wish me luck.
     
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    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Shelley. I think im going to try the real pasta and see how i go. I probably wont have this all the time but i really crave it right now. Thanks for your reply
     
  12. Antje77

    Antje77 LADA · Moderator
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    Maybe you could eat pasta/mash and such as a small side dish. Next to very low carb food you would still have a low carb meal. I'm on insulin, so that's different, but that's the way I handle sweet desserts at christmas and such, and cake at birthday parties. There is no way I can inject for it without spiking , so I just have two very small bites. I don't miss out that way and still keep my sugars in range. Good luck!
     
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    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Antje77
     
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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    If you get any carb cravings then veg stir-fry fixes mine.
     
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    imperp Type 2 · Member

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    Hello. I too have wondered this. If weight loss is so crucial then why not lose it by any means possible. Lots of people lose weigh the SlimmingWorld way which incorporates potatoes pasta and rice in the eat freely bracket. It’s something I am trying myself but I admit still trying to be mindful of carbs. In that if I’m having curry I don’t have chips and rice. I pick one or the other
     
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    john1957 Type 2 · Member

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    Try eating less carbs and maybe if you do not already, exercise.
     
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    Ketogenic diet works wonders
     
  18. bootyful0

    bootyful0 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi Imperp. That's exactly it. If I just lost weight anyway would it be ok. ? I guess i will just have to experiment. Im starting my whole food journey again and testing as i go. Like you I will still be mindful of carbs but I am going to increase my intake a bit at a time. I,m glad to know that it's not just me who was wondering so thank you for your post.
     
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