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Is Nutritional Counseling Useless?

AngelaSun

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Type of diabetes
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Tablets (oral)
Hey y'all. I'm in the U.S.
12yrs ago I had my first experience with GD. I was sent to nutritional counseling where they formulated a diabetic meal plan for me.
Two years ago I was sent to another nutritionist for a "refresher course." It was pretty much the same thing.
Basically: 15g = one serving of carbs and 7g = one serving of protein. Breakfast: 3/1, Snacks 1/1, Lunch 4/3, and Dinner 3/3.

Some of y'all are saying that's way too much carbs. So, are my American nutritionists actually being helpful, or are they just being American (aka- useless when it comes to dietary recommendations)? Because I know my country has some pretty bad dietary ideas.
 
We get the same advice over here from the NHS, but that's not to say it's good advice :)

Basically, everyone's diabetes is different and a "one size fits all" approach is never going to work. I am very intolerant to carbs and a single slice of bread or scoop of mashed potatoes sends my BG readings into the teens. If I followed the standard advice my BG would still be massively high rather than the tight control I have of it with low carb consumption

My dad is also Type 2 but only just and can eat a lot of stuff I can't without spiking his BG readings. My mum was also Type 2 but she didn't control hers at all and died of pancreatic cancer at 68 (which is why I'm so keen to control my own BG)

Because I seem to be very intolerant to carbs, the only carbs I eat now are in vegetables (I eat no potatoes, bread , rice, pasta, flour or vegetables that grow underground) and milk / cream that I have in my coffee.

However, you may not be like me and the best advice is to eat to your meter: Measure your BG reading, eat your meal and monitor your BG after 1 and 2 hours (and possibly 3). Anything that causes your BG to increase by over 2mmol/dl (36mg/ml) should either be avoided or the portion reduced.

After a few weeks, you should have a good idea of what you can and can't eat and it will likely be unique to yourself.

The other side to low carbing is it is a very effective way of losing weight (if you need to, that is) - the LCHF (Low Carb, High Fat) diet has been used by many people to great success
 
You have also got many great ideas when it comes to good healthy diets.
Do you have or use a blood glucose meter.
@daisy1 will soon come along and give you our basic guide.
My tip would please take your time and make a choice that suits you best.
I think very low carbs with moderate fat seems to be favourite for me. avoid bread, pasta and potatoes.
best of luck. :):)
 
Yes, we get similar poor dietary advice in the UK. High carb, low protein, low fat, low salt. Basically they are happy for us just to cut out the obvious sugary stuff .... except we can have a cake, biscuits, ice-cream etc as long as it isn't every day. We have what is known as the Eatwell Plate, which includes starchy carbs, breakfast cereals, fruit, low fat plastic rubbish, and so on. This is the same advice given to everyone, non-diabetics and type 2's alike. http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/eatwell-plate.aspx

So you aren't alone in this.
 
In my opinion the official dietary advice for diabetics in the US, the UK, Australia, and Canada is not only useless, but if followed will cause a type 2 diabetic to spiral down towards a slow, painful death by diabetic complications.
 
@AngelaSun

Hello again Angela. I am repeating the basic information here on this thread (as referred to by @izzzi) so you have got all the information together. You have already had some very useful advice and I hope it helps you.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi. Yes, it's a global problem. The more cynical of us might spot that many food companies are global and that adding sugar to food is both very cheap and easy; similar for many carbs. Bearing in mind that carbs are addictive it must be very tempting to stuff foods with carbs. I note also that some university diet research projects are part funded by the food industry. Even national diabetic associations sometimes come under the influence. You can make your own mind up on whether that cynicism is justified :)
 
Wow angelasun, way to go girl,fantastic result for you ......now keep it up::))
 
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