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Is the average reading in the range of 7-8 too bad for a type 2 ?

But again, you are an insulin user, so your diet can be a bit more generous as regards carbs than a non-insulin user. We have nothing to help us control those after meal spikes. It is a different ball game.

Yeah, that's true.

But that's imho because the general approach to diabetes is very different in Slovakia than in UK or USA. No way any doctor would allow you to stay without any meds or insulin if your BG was regularly 8 before meals - which means most likely above 9 or 10 after meals. You can disrespect their advice and do it your way, but that's your own risk, then.

I know some people do it that way. They find info on internet and follow low-carb diet (which is okay, if it works for them) or eat 'miraculous' food like some seaweed from Asia (of which I'm always extremely suspicious).

No doctor here will recommend you to eat less than 100 grams of carbs per day. Standard procedure is, you get diet/meds/insulin depending on your BG when you're diagonsed. As most people are rather high at that time, practically no one starts with diet only, but with meds/insulin to help themdecrease those high levels. You're supposed to learn how to calculate carbs and carb units, and how to manage your meals, then if your results are good enough and stable (within the target range, without big differences for several months), and based on other examinations, you're switched to intensified regime (where you can adjust your insulin dose, to some extent, depending on what you eat), to meds, or diet only. But again, even if you're on a diet only, you're supposed to eat balanced diet - including diary, fruit, veggetable, etc. And yes, it can work.

My cousin is 48, Type 2, and when he was diagnosed two years ago, he had to be hospitalised, so high was his BG. Now he's on diet only - and eats around 200 carbs per day. The amount was recommended by his diabetologist based on his age, weight, percentage of muscles vs fat, and overall blood count.


After losing trust in doctors' advice I did a large amount of research on type 2 diabetes. My conclusion was that following the current standard medical advice regarding diet was what got me to diabetes (and fat) and continuing to follow it sure wasn't going to get me out of it. I don't think I approached my research with any bias as to what would be the best approach, but where I ended up was LCHF. I was hopeful that this would control my blood glucose levels, result in weight lose, lower my plasma triglycerides, improve my cholesterol numbers, and not result in anything bad. So far that has borne out for me. Due to genetic variation, not everyone does optimally on LCHF, but it is worth trying. My diabetes nurse has told me point blank that my diabetes will continuously get progressively worse and I'll eventually be on lots of pills and insulin eventually. I told her that won't happen. I saw her for a 3 month check yesterday and she was genuinely surprised that I had gone from diabetic blood glucose levels to normal levels - below prediabetic levels - and my kidney function test results were perfectly normal. Like you, I too got the advice to eat carbs and whole grains and low fat. I feel that if I had followed that advice blindly I'b be on a path to insulin. So, what I'm saying is don't listen to advice blindly - not even the advice I've given above. The information is out there on the interwebs. Keep in mind that doctors get virtually no training in diet. Maybe an hour or two. If you really don't have time for much research, then just get the book "Death by Food Pyramid". You can order it from Amazon.

That's great news, good for you. :D

However, I can't say I was (still am) fat because I followed standard medical advice regarding diet. At least I don't know any medical advice saying it's okay to eat fastfood and drink a lot of coke and soft drinks. >.> I got myself into trouble because of my own stupidy and laziness.

I would never dare to say my doctor doesn't have any training in diet. She's been a diabetologist for over 35 years now, and continues to educate herself, go to conferences, follows trends. And not only she knows her stuff, she has heavenly patience with my endless questions. :D Frankly, I'm far more suspicious of various info on internet, because it's often contradictory.

This site is one of the exceptions. I learned many interesting things here, and it helped me a lot.

But I've also read books, or saw sites, which imho were outright dangerous. E.g. one site recommended to exclude following things from your diet:diary, grains, fruit, meat except fish, fat except coconut oil, and all vegetable except leafy vegetable; on the other hand, you should include two types of seaweeds, chia, protein powder and glucose pills.

Thanks, but I'll rather stick to my 150 grams of carbs and eat everything, without fear of hypo or hyper. :)
 
We are all different with different views and different diets. Personally I prefer to stay med free and eat to my meter. I do have some refined carbs, but my meter tells me how I can portion them. I lost over 31% of my body weight to reach a BMI of 21, my bloods are normal, my cholesterol is excellent, my BP is excellent, my BS is controlled at 6.1% and dropping, I am energetic and healthy, I am never hungry and I enjoy my food. I don't hyper because I know what I can cope with, and I can't hypo as I'm not on meds. But that's just me. ;)
 
@Sigalit
If you're happy with how things are going for you, then I can't argue much with that. Personally, I'd not be happy or satisfied to be on insulin and a bunch of meds if I didn't have to be, but we're all different. Good luck.
 
@Sigalit
If you're happy with how things are going for you, then I can't argue much with that. Personally, I'd not be happy or satisfied to be on insulin and a bunch of meds if I didn't have to be, but we're all different. Good luck.

I'm still learning about diabetes, insulin and nutrition, and I'm by no way an expert. But I know enough already that I don't see being on insulin as bad thing at something that must be avoided at all cost.

Food influences many things, not just the level of blood sugar; I refuse to reduce everything just to carbs. If I have to choose insulin (where my dose is actually only 1/3 of what it should be, based on my weight) or a very restrictive diet that limits or eliminates eating of variety of food, such as diary, certain fruit, starchy vegetable, grainy products, and then recommends taking supplements... then I choose insulin. To me, it seems too high price that I'm not willing to pay. I'm not looking for a rapid way to decrease my BG and my weight; I'm trying to establish a long-term sustainable lifestyle that I can follow for the next fifty years. But that's just me. ;)
 
just remember more insulin + carbs = more weight + worse trigs + higher risk

it is simple really but your choice is your choice
 
I'm still learning about diabetes, insulin and nutrition, and I'm by no way an expert. But I know enough already that I don't see being on insulin as bad thing at something that must be avoided at all cost.

Food influences many things, not just the level of blood sugar; I refuse to reduce everything just to carbs. If I have to choose insulin (where my dose is actually only 1/3 of what it should be, based on my weight) or a very restrictive diet that limits or eliminates eating of variety of food, such as diary, certain fruit, starchy vegetable, grainy products, and then recommends taking supplements... then I choose insulin. To me, it seems too high price that I'm not willing to pay. I'm not looking for a rapid way to decrease my BG and my weight; I'm trying to establish a long-term sustainable lifestyle that I can follow for the next fifty years. But that's just me. ;)
While LCHF can result in rapid weight loss and reversal of type diabetes, it is also an excellent long term sustainable lifestyle - it's basically they way our ancestors ate while our species was evolving. There is no need for supplements on a LCHF diet, as long as you're eating some organ meats. I've lost approximately 0.4 kg a week over the last year, so not very rapid compared to many on this forum. I felt similar to you about carbs before I tried LCHF. I couldn't imagine not eating carbs and thought I'd need carbs for energy. Now I really don't have any desire to eat carbs. I could walk into a pastry shop on the Champs Elysee in Paris giving away unlimited free samples and I wouldn't be tempted. As for energy, I have plenty. My body works so much better without carbs. The other day I woke up, had a cup of coffee, and went for a 9 km run and felt great - no carbs required. And you're right, food does influence many things besides blood glucose. After switching to LCHF my blood pressure is better, my plasma triglycerides are lower, my cholesterol numbers are better, I look 5 years younger (according to one office colleague), I feel 30 years younger, I look lean instead of fat (according to my diabetes nurse), I am fit, I sleep better, my memory is better, etc. I would not give any of that up in exchange for some bread or pasta and insulin injections - no possible way. The only negatives are that I'm having to buy all new clothes and I spend too much time in the gym now so I had to cut down on my TV watching. I'm so behind on some of my shows now!
 
.................. I could walk into a pastry shop on the Champs Elysee in Paris giving away unlimited free samples .............

I'd be there. Even better with a few glasses of wine.
But, in the past, I probably wouldn't have stopped.
Now, I'd enjoy it, and leave.

I think that's the main difference between the old me and the new me, portion control has given me the willpower to be able to stop on my own self imposed limits.
 
I'd be there. Even better with a few glasses of wine.
But, in the past, I probably wouldn't have stopped.
Now, I'd enjoy it, and leave.

I think that's the main difference between the old me and the new me, portion control has given me the willpower to be able to stop on my own self imposed limits.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. It makes no sense.
 
Ok
Now - I like a pastry.

Previously, I like pastries

Difference -
now, singular,
previously, plural.

Difference -
willpower, and realisation many pastries are bad for me.
 
Ok
Now - I like a pastry.

Previously, I like pastries

Difference -
now, singular,
previously, plural.

Difference -
willpower, and realisation many pastries are bad for me.
Sorry - I still don't get it. You know a pastry is unhealthy for you, but you consciously choose to eat it any way? I find that rather odd. Or perhaps you can't stop yourself from eating one? I don't think I would call that very effective willpower. Either way it makes no sense.

Anyway, it's all very alien to me. I've forgotten what it's like to have carb/sugar cravings, but it must be terrible. Now I'd have to force myself to eat a pastry if I were to have one. Seeing pastries or seeing other people eating them results in complete indifference to me. Now I crave beef bone marrow broth, fresh vegetables, running, and weight lifting, to name a few. **** food? No interest.
 
Ok
Now - I like a pastry.

Previously, I like pastries

Difference -
now, singular,
previously, plural.

Difference -
willpower, and realisation many pastries are bad for me.
A little of what you fancy can do you good. It's over indulgence that causes the problems. Nothing wrong qith a blow out once in a while, but only once in a while.
 
A little of what you fancy can do you good. It's over indulgence that causes the problems. Nothing wrong qith a blow out once in a while, but only once in a while.

Exactly
A small amount now is fine, whereas in the past I wouldn't have stopped.
 
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