Type 2 Is this normal

[woollygal]

Afternoon
So initial sugars of 6.1 when woke up this morning.
Couple hours later with nothing to eat ir drink went up to 7.8. That’s been explained.

At 10.30 are a baby bel
Then at 11 had pub breakfast of sausage, mushroom egg tomatoes homemade beans bacon and small dollop of bubble and squeak. Had swapped the toast for more tomatoes as didn’t want too many carbs.

Just got home and I know the level is normal and I know it’s 3 hours but my sugars are 5.5.

Completely confused because surely after that breakfast they should be higher? I also had a tea (caffeinated and a Diet Coke).

I know the 5.5 is good and normal but just seems odd given my sugars are supposed to be high with type 2.

Seem to be having a very confusing day.

 

[woollygal]

Afternoon
So initial sugars of 6.1 when woke up this morning.
Couple hours later with nothing to eat ir drink went up to 7.8. That’s been explained.

At 10.30 are a baby bel
Then at 11 had pub breakfast of sausage, mushroom egg tomatoes homemade beans bacon and small dollop of bubble and squeak. Had swapped the toast for more tomatoes as didn’t want too many carbs.

Just got home and I know the level is normal and I know it’s 3 hours but my sugars are 5.5.

Completely confused because surely after that breakfast they should be higher? I also had a tea (caffeinated and a Diet Coke).

I know the 5.5 is good and normal but just seems odd given my sugars are supposed to be high with type 2.

Seem to be having a very confusing day.

I should also add something peed me off at this meal and have been bad moodish since. Just in case that mucks things up.

 

[HSSS]

Not knowing what your level was immediately prior to eating makes it hard to know what the change is. However with the possible exception of beans and bubble and squeak it was a low carb meal therefore it had a minimal effect on BS. This is what your trying to achieve and succeeding. Well done. Also the 3 hrs will explain it a bit too. That’s an extra hour and can drop it a fair bit too.

Being type 2 means you don’t deal well with carbs. Not eating many seems an obvious way to not aggravate that inability, which imo is what you’ve done at lunch. If you don’t poke the bear it won’t wake up.

 

[woollygal]

Not knowing what your level was immediately prior to eating makes it hard to know what the change is. However with the possible exception of beans and bubble and squeak it was a low carb meal therefore it had a minimal effect on BS. This is what your trying to achieve and succeeding. Well done. Also the 3 hrs will explain it a bit too. That’s an extra hour and can drop it a fair bit too.

Being type 2 means you don’t deal well with carbs. Not eating many seems an obvious way to not aggravate that inability, which imo is what you’ve done at lunch. If you don’t poke the bear it won’t wake up.

It was 7.8 about 2 hours earlier.

I guess it was low carbs but I guess I thought that the potato would do more.

Plus I was hoping not to have to eat till tonight but migh have to eat earlier!!!

Also I get a bit excited when it’s low that maybe I’m not diabetic and it’s a huge mistake.

 

[Alexandra100]

Then at 11 had pub breakfast of sausage, mushroom egg tomatoes homemade beans bacon and small dollop of bubble and squeak. Had swapped the toast for more tomatoes as didn’t want too many carbs.

Just got home and I know the level is normal and I know it’s 3 hours but my sugars are 5.5.

Completely confused because surely after that breakfast they should be higher?

Firstly, if you didn't test til 3 hours, your bg had time to go up and then come down again before then. Theoretically, in a "normal" person one might expect a rise at 1 hour and back to normal by 2 hours.

Secondly, another time it would be worth testing again at 4 hours. It has certainly happened to me to see no rise until then - very disappointing when it finally landed! A late rise can be due to lots of fat and protein in the meal or to a condition called gastro-paresis (delayed stomach emptying) which is according to Dr Bernstein (who has treated literally thousands of patients) an extremely common complication often found in diabetics at diagnosis. I suffer from this, and it makes testing awkward, as it is unpredictable.

Thirdly, when you see an unexpected reading it is worth re-testing straight away. Meters and strips are not reliable and you may see a quite different number the second time. Obviously, if you see the exact same number you know it must be the right one.

I would not see that as a low carb meal. Tomatoes are classed as a fruit due to their sugar content and are on Dr B's "No no" list. The sausages will have contained an unknown quantity of carbs. Beans and bubble and squeak contain carbs, and even an egg has 0.6g carbs in its yolk. So, not the worst, but not carb-free either. Even protein in meals normally causes some rise in bg, so I would assume there was a rise but you missed it.

 

[Alexandra100]

Plus I was hoping not to have to eat till tonight but migh have to eat earlier!!!

I'm not sure why you would need to eat earlier? (Assuming that you are not T1.) If you are concerned that your bg might fall too low, the rule of thumb is that it should not drop below 3.8, which gives you plenty of margin.

 

[brassyblonde900]

I should also add something peed me off at this meal and have been bad moodish since. Just in case that mucks things up.

During your meal, you produced insulin that worked on the BG both in your meal and those that were dumped by your liver (due to dawn phenomenon)
Its not unusual to get lower readings after breakfast than what your reading was at waking.
A lot of people including me, use eating something to stop and reverse the rise of BG in the mornings. In this case your breakfast was low carb enough to allow the insulin you produced, to work on both the one from the DP and breakfast, hence the good reading you saw.

 

[HSSS]

I would not see that as a low carb meal. Tomatoes are classed as a fruit due to their sugar content and are on Dr B's "No no" list. The sausages will have contained an unknown quantity of carbs. Beans and bubble and squeak contain carbs, and even an egg has 0.6g carbs in its yolk. So, not the worst, but not carb-free either. Even protein in meals normally causes some rise in bg, so I would assume there was a rise but you missed it.

Tomatoes aren’t that high, and many diabetics do eat them in limited quantities just fine. Depends if you are following one particular advocate or another. Sausages I agree, I’m accustomed to buying ones without breadcrumbs etc in them and forgot to account for this. I seriously wouldn’t worry about an egg, many of us would be done for as we eats loads. I’d avoid the potatoes entirely too. I agree any rise was missed. I still think for a largish meal this probably was a fairly low carb meal and not many aim for carb free entirely. I guess it depends how low you aim to be.

 

[HSSS]

A reading 2hrs before eating isn’t particularly useful for know what rise the meal gives you. Who knows where it went in those 2hrs. Down after the baby bel stopped the liver dump or up after eating???

 

[Alexandra100]

Tomatoes aren’t that high, and many diabetics do eat them in limited quantities just fine. Depends if you are following one particular advocate or another

I agree, it is impossible for me as a lay person to evaluate the various and sometimes contradictory theories abut diabetes. However, I avoid tomatoes because they are on Dr B's banned list and I do respect his vast experience and knowledge, though I would never follow him (or anyone) unquestioningly. I also avoid them because of the theory that fructose, unlike glucose, goes directly to the liver, with likely detrimental effects. It is not a question of whether fruits like tomatoes spike people's bgs. I Googled and found a whole page of articles on this topic, of which this was the first:

https://idmprogram.com/fructose-fatty-liver-insulin-resistance-t2d-28/

 

[woollygal]

Firstly, if you didn't test til 3 hours, your bg had time to go up and then come down again before then. Theoretically, in a "normal" person one might expect a rise at 1 hour and back to normal by 2 hours.

Secondly, another time it would be worth testing again at 4 hours. It has certainly happened to me to see no rise until then - very disappointing when it finally landed! A late rise can be due to lots of fat and protein in the meal or to a condition called gastro-paresis (delayed stomach emptying) which is according to Dr Bernstein (who has treated literally thousands of patients) an extremely common complication often found in diabetics at diagnosis. I suffer from this, and it makes testing awkward, as it is unpredictable.

Thirdly, when you see an unexpected reading it is worth re-testing straight away. Meters and strips are not reliable and you may see a quite different number the second time. Obviously, if you see the exact same number you know it must be the right one.

I would not see that as a low carb meal. Tomatoes are classed as a fruit due to their sugar content and are on Dr B's "No no" list. The sausages will have contained an unknown quantity of carbs. Beans and bubble and squeak contain carbs, and even an egg has 0.6g carbs in its yolk. So, not the worst, but not carb-free either. Even protein in meals normally causes some rise in bg, so I would assume there was a rise but you missed it.

Surely going by that then it’s impossible to eat anything as everything has got carbs in it.

 

[bulkbiker]

impossible to eat anything as everything has got carbs in it.

Not quite...

 

[Alexandra100]

Surely going by that then it’s impossible to eat anything as everything has got carbs in it.

Fish (except a few carbs in sardines), flesh, fowl and fat (except a few carbs in some butter) are all as far as I know carb-free. Some of us have chosen a particular number of carbs to consume during a day (though obviously it is not a good idea to save them all up for one blow-out meal!) Others seem to go on whether particular foods cause an unacceptable (to them) rise in bg after eating. People like me, who limit themselves to eg 20g carbs daily are very fussy about the carb content of food. I have to smile wryly when I find myself weighing out my 50g raw spinach (which is actually a perfectly generous portion). Most people find they have to limit or avoid the vegetables that grow below ground and at least the sweeter fruits, as well as anything made from grains. Everyone has to work out their own personal bg targets and the level of dietary restriction they are willing to tolerate in order to meet them (or, sadly, not).

 

[woollygal]

Fish (except a few carbs in sardines), flesh, fowl and fat (except a few carbs in some butter) are all as far as I know carb-free. Some of us have chosen a particular number of carbs to consume during a day (though obviously it is not a good idea to save them all up for one blow-out meal!) Others seem to go on whether particular foods cause an unacceptable (to them) rise in bg after eating. People like me, who limit themselves to eg 20g carbs daily are very fussy about the carb content of food. I have to smile wryly when I find myself weighing out my 50g raw spinach (which is actually a perfectly generous portion). Most people find they have to limit or avoid the vegetables that grow below ground and at least the sweeter fruits, as well as anything made from grains. Everyone has to work out their own personal bg targets and the level of dietary restriction they are willing to tolerate in order to meet them (or, sadly, not).

Not really a fish person unless tinned salmon etc or fish shop fish or scampi. The fish shop fish and scampi are obviously not good