lucylocket61
Expert
as the Fat Emporor is a vast site, please can you link to the relevant bit about overeating fats not making you fat? I tried his search engine and couldnt find anything to support this.
as the Fat Emporor is a vast site, please can you link to the relevant bit about overeating fats not making you fat? I tried his search engine and couldnt find anything to support this.Your CFS may have a direct effect as per your energy as, the last time I was talking to a close freind with the condition, I learned that the problem may have a root cause (one of a few) within the mitochondria.
Your point about calories is moot. The calories from fats and the calories from carbs are not the same. Zoe Harcombe explains this far better than I can in one of her youtube presentations.that is not the same as
in the bottom quote you are claiming that excess fat is excreted, not stored. That people can eat as much fat as they wish and not gain or retain weight, as the fat is not kept in the body. I want to know the science and proof behind this.
All I have read points to it being possible for some young men to gain smaller amount of weight - calorie for calorie - eating those calories in fat rather than carbs. But still a weight gain. And the experiments rely on stable hormone levels. Not the same as being to eat as much fat as you want and the body disposing of what isnt needed.
as the Fat Emporor is a vast site, please can you link to the relevant bit about overeating fats not making you fat? I tried his search engine and couldnt find anything to support this.
no it isnt. Not all calories are equal. It is true that calories from carbs become fat storage much easier and quicker than calories from proteins and fats. I understand that.Your point about calories is moot.
According to you, it isnt stored anywhere, it disappears. You raised this point so I am asking you to tell me the answer.When losing weight by whatever method where does the fat go?
It is a very important, and potentially harmful assertion that excess fat is not stored. It leads to people thinking they can eat as much fat as they wish and still lose/maintain weight. We are not discussing something trivial. Many people who come on here are looking to improve their health and get reliable information. Not end up given unsubstantiated information which could make their health worse.I am sorry but I couldn't possibly remember every piece of information and its whereabouts. They are all great lectures and interviews, though, I can highly recommend them.
no it isnt. Not all calories are equal. It is true that calories from carbs become fat storage much easier and quicker than calories from proteins and fats. I understand that.
According to you, it isnt stored anywhere, it disappears. You raised this point so I am asking you to tell me the answer.
https://www.livestrong.com/article/474281-how-does-the-body-digest-metabolize-fat/ says we store excess fat as a future energy source.
Answering this bit, I found that once I had get my meter, found the right balance of foods to keep my blood sugars stable and at safe levels, then I felt a lot better. Many people find that sorting their blood sugars out led to weight gain. If its a choice, I would follow the excellent advice from Daisy1 that you got on another thread, and sort out your blood sugar levels first.So, what is more important, a healthy sugar level or losing weight? I know they are both important, but should one be priortised?
It is a very important, and potentially harmful assertion that excess fat is not stored. It leads to people thinking they can eat as much fat as they wish and still lose/maintain weight. We are not discussing something trivial. Many people who come on here are looking to improve their health and get reliable information. Not end up given unsubstantiated information which could make their health worse.
Yes, that is true and well documented. However, that is not true of ingested fat. We will only use the bits we need as fuel, any excess is stored for future use.When we lose subcutaneous fat or visceral fat it is excreted in the faeces, the breath and to a lesser extent in the sweat.
Answering this bit, I found that once I had get my meter, found the right balance of foods to keep my blood sugars stable and at safe levels, then I felt a lot better. Many people find that sorting their blood sugars out led to weight gain. If its a choice, I would follow the excellent advice from Daisy1 that you got on another thread, and sort out your blood sugar levels first.
best wishes, Lucy
This is a discussion forum, you have made an assertion with serious implications, we are discussing it. I have backed up my assertions. I have not heard of your assertion, so have asked for further clarification and scientific studies on the subject. I have refuted nothing. I ask for your side of your assertion to make my own study of it, as I have found nothing scientific on google to do my own research.I do not have an encyclopedic memory and it is certainly not my job to do research for anyone other than myself. If you choose to refute that which I have said then do so. I certainly did not trivialise anything!
This is a discussion forum, you have made an assertion with serious implications, we are discussing it. I have backed up my assertions. I have not heard of your assertion, so have asked for further clarification and scientific studies on the subject. I have refuted nothing. I ask for your side of your assertion to make my own study of it, as I have found nothing scientific on google to do my own research.
This is a discussion forum, you have made an assertion with serious implications, we are discussing it. I have backed up my assertions. I have not heard of your assertion, so have asked for further clarification and scientific studies on the subject. I have refuted nothing. I ask for your side of your assertion to make my own study of it, as I have found nothing scientific on google to do my own research.
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But he can be a bit worrying even so.
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The "fat adapted" thing is where your body has decided that carbs aren't a macronutrient it can rely on for energy anymore, there isn't enough protein (and this level varies from person to person and even from season to season) to sustain itself on, therefore the most readily available and plentiful source of energy is fat.
When the body has fully committed to making this change and is burning fat for energy (and no longer craving carbs), it's said to be "fat adapted". It's how humans all used to eat until we started farming; it's a very normal state and one that we've been clicking into for hundreds of thousands of years.
However, carbs and their super-fast empty release can throw our bodies out of fat adaptation relatively quickly. The post-industrial revolution working class energy source for the masses ensures that bodies have a fast and immediate source of energy... but that there's really nothing else to it (Victorian workers dying of malnutrition, bread and cereals having to be fortified to be even basically "healthy" eg).
Which, incidentally, explains why people binge-eat at the start of adopting LCHF / similar diets: Your body hasn't yet let go of the carbs. Instead, it's detected that its fast-release energy source of choice has diminished and, instead, is making you eat everything you can lay your hands on just in case you're about to starve.
If you're out of the carb cravings but into the "Anything That Moves" stage, you've got about a week until you sit down with your typical banquet of food, eat barely a third of what you prepared and realise that you're just not hungry for anything more.
Our bodies like carbs; sugar = dopamine. It's literally an addiction. And our brains and bodies team up to throw tantrums when we don't eat carbs any more. But, happily, we have fickle metabolisms that will forget that carbs ever existed and start burning fat like champions.
Honestly, you're nearly there. Don't starve and don't feel guilty about eating. You're in the process of changing how your body fuels itself, that's all. When it's done, you'll be astonished at both how much you used to eat (you'll have to then train yourself to mindfully prepare less food each mealtime) and how little you want to eat now.
Also: drink lots of water. That'll really help, too. But remember to increase your salt intake a little, too.
NO GUILT! It's a rule. It should be a forum rule. Anyone experiencing or expressing food-guilt, body-shame or diet-failure shall be subjected to an intervention of hugs, affectionately stern talking to's and cheerfully punctuated pep talks peppered with more information than you ever, ever, ever, wanted to learn.
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