I've been an idiot!

Hi Hanadr
It was a treat that you had! at least your bg has come down! We all give in now and again! We deserve a treat! Don't beat yourself up about it! You are doing well!
Can't wait to rent the dvd of harry potter, too dark for me to watch it in the cinema!
Sandy

How reassuring to know that everyone falls of the wagon at some time, that's not stupidity, that's just plain old normality! How boring if we were all perfect lol.

Wow you must be really strict if you regard 8.2 as being off the range! That's normal after dinner BS to me, I'd have to get to about 12 to be calling myself an idiot.

Parselmouth said:

Wow you must be really strict if you regard 8.2 as being off the range! That's normal after dinner BS to me, I'd have to get to about 12 to be calling myself an idiot.

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Hi parselmouth.

Hanadr and a lot more of us look on anything above 6 as high. That's because we want tight control of our Bg levls to avoid or delay any of that long list of complications a Diabetic can get if those levels are uncontrolled. You should try it ?

Ken.

cugila said:

Parselmouth said:

Wow you must be really strict if you regard 8.2 as being off the range! That's normal after dinner BS to me, I'd have to get to about 12 to be calling myself an idiot.

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Hi parselmouth.

Hanadr and a lot more of us look on anything above 6 as high. That's because we want tight control of our Bg levls to avoid or delay any of that long list of complications a Diabetic can get if those levels are uncontrolled. You should try it ?

Ken.

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Jesus, I generally think anything upto 10 is ok. do you think it's imperitive to change? I couldn't imagine keeping my blood sugars below 6 all of the time, assume this is only possible on a really low carb diet?

Hi serial45.

As a T1 on Insulin you shouldn't really be going anything above 9 according to NICE guidelines.
Lower during the day would also be beneficial.

I am no expert on T1 and Insulin dosages so I am not best placed to advise you.

Hopefully one of our T1 'experts' can advise you more fully later ? I would imagine to lower your levels it is a combination of dosage adjustment and/or dietary adjustments.

Ken.

BTW. I am a low GI and reduced carbs person as I need low fat etc. There are a number who are pure low carbers, yes. It doesn't have to be the 'full Monty.'

@Serial45 and Parselmouth,

Don't be intimidated by the 5% club :lol: There's a bit of a clique on these forums comprising of [mostly Type 2] diabetics who are strict, almost to the point of obsession, about their BG levels staying within 'non-diabetic' ranges. Now, they'll dispute this to the core but I'll say it anyway; I think you've got to understand that many of us make a choice about our diabetes. The 5% club have chosen to sacrifice a diet that they used to enjoy for the pursuit of absolute health. That's absolutely fine. Some diabetics counter this by combating the condition with medication whilst sticking with the diet they have and enjoy. Again, that's fine. It's their choice.

The point is, just because they're not happy with a BG of 12 doesn't mean you shouldn't be. Set your own goals and don't be worried if your vision of what's alright and what isn't doesn't match some one elses. We all know the risks involved with high BGs and we all know the sacrifices that need to be made with a strict diet regime. Walk the middle line, that's what I do.

@ The 5% club,

Do you ever think about the anxiety comments like that can cause? I've just finished replying to a post from Kathleen, a newly diagnosed T1 struggling to get her BGs under the teens. Are you going to tell her "You should try it"? Not everyone is in a position to make the massive changes to their life that you have. Not everyone wants to. Most of the time I find the comments from you guys tolerable and of a helpful tone, but sometimes you just really hack me off!

The point is, just because they're not happy with a BG of 12 doesn't mean you shouldn't be. Set your own goals and don't be worried if your vision of what's alright and what isn't doesn't match some one elses. We all know the risks involved with high BGs and we all know the sacrifices that need to be made with a strict diet regime. Walk the middle line, that's what I do.

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Acron ,no diabetic should be happy in the 12's!!Own goals or what, this level leads to complications eventually.Look at the recommended levels posted elsewhere on the forum.I am not in the 5 % club but am quite happy with the diet ,and lifestyle I have chosen for myself,I do not miss things that used to make me very ill,why should I? I also do not take medication preferring to control my diabetes with diet,that is my choice.Therefore I do not eat a lot of things that medicated diabetics can eat,again my choice.I do not aim to be super fit just to be able to live a bit longer without complications.

Acron.

People come on here and ask for advice. They get it. Now if they don't want to take that advice that is up to them. When I stated 'Try it', that was to encourage people to better things - is that so bad ?

For you to first of all label me as one of the 5% club is totally false. I just make sure my Bg levels are well controlled so that I can avoid the complications. Do you want to get them ?

As for you telling anybody to carry on regardless and ignore perfectly good advice that is designed to help people that is totally outrageous. You are not helping anybody with that advice.

Ken.

Acron you have choices, you are also the one who had to deal with the consequences as a result of your decisions. Where is it written that it all has to be easy?
Good luck to you and
Cheers for Hana!

Karen

Hello Acron,
I wish i had my blood sugars in the 5% club! I ma trying as it would be better for my health!
Please don't start a arguement as people come on here to ask questions or looking for support!
The admin and the mods have enough to do daily keeping out all the spam messages and links to spam websites! It is unfair that they should be expected to come inbetween someone looking for a arguement!
When i first came on here my blood sugars were anywhere between 8 to 18. This is what scared me, i found this forum and to me it has been a godsend! Without it i would of been on meds of some kind as i had not known what i should do or anything!
If you are happy with your blood sugars 12 and above that is your choice, i personally find anything above 9 a worry as i get side effects!
These can sometimes make a effect on daily life!
I don't know how i would have coped with out this forum and the support of everyone here and the answers that they have shared and offered! Everybody is different!
No one is forcing anyone to do anything! Please don't make a arguement out of something that is not there! No one has forced anyone!
Please think before you write, If not read through your answer before you send it! People are here for help and advice! No one is here to start to arguement!
I would like no one to argue with anyone! Please think before you write!
Sandy

Haha, the 5% retaliates! Who would have thought :lol:

Ok, here we go.

cugila said:

People come on here and ask for advice.

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Well, obviously. This thread however serve no purpose other than to spin us all some banal anecdote about Hana's day. As I've come to expect by now from Hana's threads, in amongst the banality is a self-validating swipe at anyone who would dare to believe that a BG of 8.2 is 'ok'. In fact, her entire post pivots around the fact that she was so annoyed at having a BG level of 8.2 that she felt the need to come on here and tell us all about it! Is this helpful? No. Is this advice? No. All it does is undermine the diabetics out there who would be happy to get an 8.2. As I mentioned in my post, I am sure Kathleen would be bloody delighted to get an 8.2 right now. I feel like considering two other people have already commented about how strict Hana's regime seems to be simply backs up this point.

@ Hana,

I find myself continually hacked off by the 5% club's absolute intolerance for anyone who doesn't adhere to the regime. Yeah, it's all very well of you to sit there and say "everyone's got a choice to make" when the reality of it is that you're so evagelical about the choice you've made that you feel the need to tell us about it every five minutes. Go and get a blog or something.

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Newly diagnosed Diabetics get a load of scary information, often from the HCPs. Surely it helps them to see that their condition is controlable.

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You're right. They do get a lot of scary information. What I find equally as scary is the thought of being discharged, coming on here to find out more and being told that I am destined for doom unless I get my levels to non-diabetic levels. Newbies need to be eased in, not smacked with your opinions. I can strike similarities with relgious sects proclaiming "If you don't believe, you're going to hell!". Fact or fiction, you need to accept that some people, regardless of the facts, will make choices that you wouldn't necessarily make.

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I just make sure my Bg levels are well controlled so that I can avoid the complications. Do you want to get them ?

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And what is that supposed to mean? What has this got to do with me? We're not talking about my control here. My control is fine, thank you very much. Like you, I'm low-GI restricted carbs. I like to educate people about my control, I don't ram it down their throats.

Acron.

Sometimes I despair.

Ken.

Acron personal attacks on other members are not welcome on this forum whoever they are and whatever diet they follow.If you do not agree with a post please ,simply ignore it and move on!!

An 8.2 is quite likely to be in "glucotoxicity" territory, acron^. Hana is doing her best to avoid disease progression as well as the complications caused by high blood sugars.

I'm sure we can forgive people for being a bit evangelical about a diet that's changed their life.
Many have had Hobson's choice over the amount of carb in their diet.

Acron

I'm a newly diagnosed type 1 who has found the help and advice of Ken and Hana and large numbers of other '5% villains' on here absolutely invaluable.

Without the time they give to try and help us newbies feel less scared and a little more in control then I would not be feeling as well 4 months in as I do now. They don't ram it down our throats they offer advice and help... it's my choice whether or not to take it.

They didn't **** me off when my results were in the teens, just reassured me they would come down and my eyesight would recover.

It's people like you constantly slagging them off I find difficult to read and tolerate and the most unhelpful type of posting there is... if you don't like it don't read it and don't follow it but for christs sake leave alone the people who are trying to help the rest of us. It's going to be a harder world for those of us who are grateful of the help without them as they could get so frustrated by unnecessary criticism that they stop helping people who really do need it

Acron, I speak as a newbie who perhaps shouln't be be poking her nose in, but I have to say, when a newbie comes on here for advice it isn't much help to have some-one rubbishing other people who are sharing their experiences with us! I may not appear to be, but I am scared witless about the future, :cry: and each and every opinion is useful to me, as it enables me to experiment and learn. Please don't be offended, but give some thought to those of us who are still struggling to come to terms and gain some control. :wink:

hey Valettreaver...

Reading your signature and you'll be amazed!! 4 months in to this thing and cabbage tastes great!!!! how sad is that when I crave cabbage over potatoes now!! :lol: