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just been diagnoised type 2

Could not agree more Jack. Nothing preventing a new member from looking up the information themselves and coming to similar (or indeed different ) conclusions.

Mike
 
Hi welcome. Agree with posts above about low carbing - you could do a lot of good in terms of BG control, weight loss and cholesterol lowering with no more than metformin if you low carb.

Have a read of the links in my sig below, good luck and ask any questions.
 
jack412 said:
have you seen a statin thread? opinions are opinions
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Yes Jack I have but statins was not the subject of this I think we all know how controversial they are on the forum but thats another thread.Telling a newbie that the medication their doctor had advised sounded horrific was not nice or necessary
 
AnnieC said:
Yes Jack I have but statins was not the subject of this I think we all know how controversial they are on the forum but thats another thread.Telling a newbie that the medication their doctor had advised sounded horrific was not nice or necessary
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Let's not get too sidetracked here. I definitely could have been more tactful. I would never (again) suggest anyone take or not take a specific medication, but I stand by my observation regarding this drug based on descriptions of it and its known potential side effects.

A few other observations I have made is that we are told over and over again by the government, dieticians, and HCPs to eat a low fat high carb diet because it's the healthiest way to eat. But for many of us, this diet leads to metabolic syndrome - T2 diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, high triglycerides, low HDL, high LDL, etc. When that happens, we are told we need to really try harder to follow the low fat high carb "healthy" plate and eat even less fat and even more carbs! Then as we deteriorate further we are given statins for the cholesterol, metformin for the diabetes, ACE inhibitors for the blood pressure, orlistat for the obesity, etc. It's madness! I was on this road, but I rebelled and found a better way.

When my doctor said I needed to take an ACE inhibitor, she said it might cause a persistent cough. I looked further into it and found out that sometimes this cough doesn't go away even after you stop taking the meds. She said I needed to be on a statin. I said no thanks because I had side effects last time I was foolish enough to take them. So she gave me a prescription for a non-statin cholesterol lowering drug. I looked that one up and lo and behold the clinical trials showed that it effectively lowered cholesterol, but did not reduce cardiac incidents. So, I took neither. I am happy with that choice. Today I have no metabolic syndrome symptoms and no prescriptions.

At the time my doctor was pushing these pills my blood glucose was already well under control (I had joined the forum a few months before, gotten a blood glucose meter and reduced my carb intake). I asked her if I really needed to be on these if my blood glucose was under control. She couldn't answer my question, so she got me a referral to a doctor that specializes in treating type 2 diabetics. Six months later when I finally was given the appointment, the new doctor said I was fine and didn't need any meds and not to come back.

Rant over.

 
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hi everyone sorry for late the reply i have been in to see the nurse today she said my last blood test was low in iron and b12 and the might need to give me the b12 injection every 10/12 weeks i am in with my GP in the morning to discuss meds etc etc i will repost what she advised me and what she is going to be putting me on .

i am very great full for all the help and advice you have all given me its a lot to take in and will conciser everything you have all said its all very new and very scary for me if i am honest so my mind is a bit al over the place at the moment and every time i look at food is making me paranoid a bit by what it might do to me. a little over the top by thinking that i know its just a bit over whelming at the moment i think im still coming to terms with it all

i really do appreciate everything you haver all said
 
If they offer you Metformin, make sure you ask how carefully they'll be monitoring your B12 levels as low B12 is a common side effect of the medication.
 
Hello nice to meet you , lots to,read about and think about ...
Choices to be made etc etc , your mind must feel over loaded at times ...

Take a step back and slowly begin to make your action plan for youslelf whatever you choose ...

You will find lots of support here , stay in touch ...best wishes ..kat
 
Hi Pat

What type of fats are you suggesting the member dumps bearing in mind many subscribe to the LCHF diet?

Mike
 
P Pearson RN BSN MSN said:
Sounds like a revisit to your GP is in order to do some followup tests to confirm that you do in fact have type 2 daibetes.
It is not uncommon however for patients with a little more than ordinary weight to demonstrate prediabetic or even diabetic signs and symptoms.
I strongly recommend you you cut back on your starchy foods and fat intake immediately and start an exercise program ASAP. And please! Whatever you do: Stay away from soda or soft drinks. Increase your diet with Plenty of fresh water green leafy vegetables and non sugary fruits. You may also need a system flush of the toxins that are making you feel unwell. Following 8 simple rules may get you well and prevent having to take medication
Id be happy to provide you some detail tips if you would like to write to me
Thanks
Pat
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"Non sugary fruits" pat?? For us, fruit IS sugar with just berries being ok for some of us, in moderation!! Certainly apples, oranges, banannas and tropicals are not good for the majority !
 
newtype22015 said:
hi everyone sorry for late the reply i have been in to see the nurse today she said my last blood test was low in iron and b12 and the might need to give me the b12 injection every 10/12 weeks i am in with my GP in the morning to discuss meds etc etc i will repost what she advised me and what she is going to be putting me on .

i am very great full for all the help and advice you have all given me its a lot to take in and will conciser everything you have all said its all very new and very scary for me if i am honest so my mind is a bit al over the place at the moment and every time i look at food is making me paranoid a bit by what it might do to me. a little over the top by thinking that i know its just a bit over whelming at the moment i think im still coming to terms with it all

i really do appreciate everything you haver all said
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Hello and welcome! We have all been there with all you are feeling- now you are here you will find a lot of great information, advice and support from folks who are living with this too. I'm 7 months into my journey and know I wouldn't have achieved what I have if I hadn't been here. Have a good read and keep posting!
 
P Pearson RN BSN MSN said:
Sounds like a revisit to your GP is in order to do some followup tests to confirm that you do in fact have type 2 daibetes.
It is not uncommon however for patients with a little more than ordinary weight to demonstrate prediabetic or even diabetic signs and symptoms.
I strongly recommend you you cut back on your starchy foods and fat intake immediately and start an exercise program ASAP. And please! Whatever you do: Stay away from soda or soft drinks. Increase your diet with Plenty of fresh water green leafy vegetables and non sugary fruits. You may also need a system flush of the toxins that are making you feel unwell. Following 8 simple rules may get you well and prevent having to take medication
Id be happy to provide you some detail tips if you would like to write to me
Thanks
Pat
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@P Pearson RN BSN MSN

What is 'a system flush of the toxins' please?
 
P Pearson RN BSN MSN said:
Sounds like a revisit to your GP is in order to do some followup tests to confirm that you do in fact have type 2 daibetes.
It is not uncommon however for patients with a little more than ordinary weight to demonstrate prediabetic or even diabetic signs and symptoms.
I strongly recommend you you cut back on your starchy foods and fat intake immediately and start an exercise program ASAP. And please! Whatever you do: Stay away from soda or soft drinks. Increase your diet with Plenty of fresh water green leafy vegetables and non sugary fruits. You may also need a system flush of the toxins that are making you feel unwell. Following 8 simple rules may get you well and prevent having to take medication
Id be happy to provide you some detail tips if you would like to write to me
Thanks
Pat
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hi thanks for your reply

i defiantly have type 2 diabetes my GP confirmed that . i did speak to my my mum last night and turns out i have 5 other family member who also have type 2 diabetes i did not know this as i have not seen then for over 20 years

i know i need to exercise more i am doing a little a day i am pushing myself as much as i can i am just to tired and i mean that literally

is my body now storing toxins ? is this dangerous>?? what will happen to me? how do i get rid of them?
 
newtype22015 said:
hi thanks for your reply

i defiantly have type 2 diabetes my GP confirmed that . i did speak to my my mum last night and turns out i have 5 other family member who also have type 2 diabetes i did not know this as i have not seen then for over 20 years

i know i need to exercise more i am doing a little a day i am pushing myself as much as i can i am just to tired and i mean that literally

is my body now storing toxins ? is this dangerous>?? what will happen to me? how do i get rid of them?
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Hi and welcome to the forum.

There is no such thing as detoxing unless you are being medically supervised to safely withdraw from drugs or alcohol.

It has become a fashionable term used by many alternative practitioners who will try and convince you that you need to follow their instructions to get rid of toxins from your body usually at a cost. Your body does it's own detox via the liver, kidneys and lymphatic system, please don't worry. If these organs/systems were not working then you would not be here.
Once you get into a new eating plan and exercising within your capabilities then you will feel a lot better.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/detox_overview.html
 
catherinecherub said:
Hi and welcome to the forum.

There is no such thing as detoxing unless you are being medically supervised to safely withdraw from drugs or alcohol.

It has become a fashionable term used by many alternative practitioners who will try and convince you that you need to follow their instructions to get rid of toxins from your body usually at a cost. Your body does it's own detox via the liver, kidneys and lymphatic system, please don't worry. If these organs/systems were not working then you would not be here.
Once you get into a new eating plan and exercising within your capabilities then you will feel a lot better.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/detox_overview.html
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So drinking plenty of water would suffice.
 
You will find a lot, if not the majority, of professionals, advise we are wrong for going low carb but then they applaud our results from doing so!! That's why our fab forum is great as we speak from experience and proven results not out of date standard text book advice!
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
Let's not get too sidetracked here. I definitely could have been more tactful. I would never (again) suggest anyone take or not take a specific medication, but I stand by my observation regarding this drug based on descriptions of it and its known potential side effects.

Rant over.
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Yes NoCribs I know where you are coming from and that it is good you have now got your T2 under control by a regime that suits you so well done That is what we all strive to do but what we do personally does not always suit other people they may need a different way including medication that we may not approve of or have had bad side effects from
When it comes to medication we don't know their medical history so we should leave people to research it themselves if they want to then decide with their GP if they should take it or not they should not be influenced by what others on here say about it
 
AnnieC said:
Yes NoCribs I know where you are coming from and that it is good you have now got your T2 under control by a regime that suits you so well done That is what we all strive to do but what we do personally does not always suit other people they may need a different way including medication that we may not approve of or have had bad side effects from
When it comes to medication we don't know their medical history so we should leave people to research it themselves if they want to then decide with their GP if they should take it or not they should not be influenced by what others on here say about it
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people give their opinions on drugs all day long here, and why I said "ask dr...orlistat is a fat blocker, with LC you use fat for fuel."

I wouldn't take a fat blocker, I think it's a ridiculous drug, if I need less fat, I don't eat it.
it wouldn't be hard to start a topic to see other peoples opinions of it
 
A newbie comes here, needs helpful advice and support. She/he does not need thread derailing. If you have no advice or support to offer then please leave the thread alone. A diagnosis is stressful enough without a debate within the thread.
Spare a thought for the OP please.
With regard to orlistat, the OP has discussed it, not been prescribed it. I am sure if she/he decides to use it then her G.P. will make sure that she/he knows the implications about fat in the diet.
 
hi everyone thanks for the other advice i do appreciate it

update on my GP this morning im a little confused with what she said now she told me to look at a chart diabetic one she told me i am defiantly type 2 and my level is currently 40 on the diabetic chart she said before she puts me on metformin she wants to see ifi can get i below that anything over 45 i will have to go on metformin she has now pout me on Simvastatin 40mg at night and also ramipril 2.5mg took that this morning feel very sick at the moment and even more tied. got to take the Simvastatin 40mg later on tonight she said.

she has told me i have to for a blood test again i 2 weeks for the ramipril 2.5mg to see if its working as my blood pressure has gone a little high and also another blood test in 4 weeks to see if the Simvastatin is working she said she will know within 4 weeks and will take me off it if its not working for me

i know people have different advice and opinions on medication and diets and i am taking it all very seriously with the advice form my gp and also from users on this site their is a lot of information been given to me and i have to decide which is the best option for me i always think that GP usually know best with medication and things but see how others have turned things round without the medication to is something i want to look into too everything is just all up in the air for me at the min and i dont know which way to go with everything at the moment

i really do appreciate you al taking the time to reply to me makes me feel as though im not alone with it all
 
Do you know what units that 40 and 45 'on the diabetic chart' she mentioned are? They can't be HbA1c values in mmol/mol as you said earlier yours was 7.5%, and 40 is not even prediabetic so I'm not sure what they are. Can you get a print out of all your test results? Ask at reception, they are obliged to give them to you.
 
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