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Kellogg’s loses high court case against UK obesity strategy - your thoughts

Conor.DDM

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With Kellogg's recently losing a high court battle over a ban on unhealthy food promotions in supermarkets, we're interested to hear you think.

Legislation coming into effect from October will stop foods high in fat, sugar or salt from being put on display in high-footfall areas including store entrances, check-outs and the end of aisles.

Alongside this, unhealthy foods will no longer be sold in multibuy of buy one get one free offers.

Will removing unhealthy foods and drinks from key areas stop people from buying them? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.
 
I am assuming that we are talking about Frosties, Crunchy Nut Cornflakes and Pop Tarts rather than the 'healthy wholegrain' cereals in this instance?
Noting that the latter are only slightly as bad for diabetics as the obviously sweet stuff and shouldn't get a health halo because they are low fat! They're not much use to type 1s either however I am in 2 minds about the nanny state versus big food! I do think Big Food will find a way to continue its profit making from junk cereals and I hate the idea of Nanny getting it wrong e.g. calorie counts on menus and red traffic lights on butter, maceral and cheese or other real foods that we've eaten healthily for thousands of years. Remember when Sadiq Khan /TFL banned ads for strawberries and double cream? The state is not very good at nutritional guidance.
 
Conor.DDM said:
we're interested to hear you think.
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Many of us do exactly that ....

It's what led us here and helped put our T2 into remission...

As for the judgement.. the nanny state needs to be very careful about what it deems healthy as many of us have found that they are often completely wrong.
 
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This really concerns me. The government has ignored research for years about the benefits of (mainly) unprocessed fats, by first pushing companies to reduce fats which led to the increase in carbs/sugars in food and then paying lukewarm attention to the benefits of low carb while pushing research on ultra low calories diets (which are of course low carb, but the results are attributed solely to low calorie).
Yes, flag high sugar foods, no one needs sugar, but flagging fats too will reduce the options for those of us who want to dine out with low carb meals and to be able to buy keto/low carb products that were only creeping into mainstream shops now.
 
One of the main ingredients in most cereal is cereal!
In itself, wheat is one of the ingredients, though the major one in most, it has certain properties within, that it is in bold letters on the packets ingredients list..

That fact should be information that the majority of the population is unaware of.

I would and that with some conditions, a carb is a carb, is a carb!
 
The problem with the nanny state is that often its actions are driven by political interest groups. Here in Canada the dairy and egg mafia have too much say in government policy.
 
jape said:
The problem with the nanny state is that often its actions are driven by political interest groups. Here in Canada the dairy and egg mafia have too much say in government policy.
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Whereas in most places it's the processed food mafia..

How I wish we had a dairy and egg mafia in the UK .. what a boost for health that would be.
 
Hi,

I haven’t done cereal for years. I don’t do breakfast anyway.

I worked in food retail for a while. (5 years?) I was surprised at a company rep’s insidious passive aggression regarding placement in the “plan” on the shop shelving during visits..
Now this was pretty much a small convenience store owned by a well known chain with limited space. One rep was almost suggesting we built a shrine to their product?

I kinda predict a “panic buy” at the end of September as some people realise the “BOGOF” offers will end..
 
bulkbiker said:
How I wish we had a dairy and egg mafia in the UK .. what a boost for health that would be.
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Please, let's do a swap! Many of us here in Canada (except the politicians) will be very happy campers!!!!
 
Conor.DDM said:
Will removing unhealthy foods and drinks from key areas stop people from buying them? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.
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No, they can just go to Gregg's, or KFC, or walk further down the aisle.
It's the food itself that is the problem , not its location within a store

I'd like it if they were to introduce BOGOFs on what I regard as healthy food for me: meat, fish etc
 
Most of the demand comes from the children. Hence the sweets at the checkout are at eye height for kids. The placement of foods is critical and many a degree has been 'earned' by undergrads suggesting better ploys. So from the fresh(?) veggies at the Way In to the fish at the back of the store, with the cheap brands on the bottom shelves, with the subtle lighting changes as you move round the store, it is all physiologically controlled. Shoppers are like Pavlov's dogs with our tongues hanging out for the titbits at eye level and easy reach of Johnnie from his trolley seat while your back is turned.

Will hiding it in plain sight make any difference? possibly to newcomers, but not to those whose household routines are established. Think of smokers still puffing away getting their fixes from the locked cupboard amd plain packets with no gifts to collect. TV advertising is powerful messaging.
 
NicoleC1971 said:
I am assuming that we are talking about Frosties, Crunchy Nut Cornflakes and Pop Tarts rather than the 'healthy wholegrain' cereals in this instance?.
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I see they got to you too

Remember the CGM data on the 57 "healthy" Stanford Students after eating a single bowl of cornflakes.



I believe that data flushed out a few pre-diabetics & T2s that may have gone years undetected otherwise
 
Given that most of the nutritional "information" pushed at us is incorrect/out of date/provided by groups with an agenda and financed by the companies who make it, I have no faith in anything other than commercial interests being highlighted. I strongly dislike the nanny state and all its ramifications.
 
But surely what we have here is the Gov being challenged by a commercial interest, which is a Blue on Blue conflict. I wonder how it would have turned out if the Gov had actually been promoting, say, LCHF instead of Eatwell? Would the adjudication be the same, and would our support for that decision be the same?
 
I am wary of Stanford Research studies. The Uni currently has their own diet plans that they are promoting. One is Whole Food Plant Based (WFPB) and the other is a Low FODMAP diet similar to the Steven Gundry diet. They appear to be the people behind the NOOM diet. They have done several comparison diet studies that demonstrate that Low Carb diets have no advantage over low fat or low calorie diets.
 
Ronancastled said:
I see they got to you too

Remember the CGM data on the 57 "healthy" Stanford Students after eating a single bowl of cornflakes.



I believe that data flushed out a few pre-diabetics & T2s that may have gone years undetected otherwise
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Yes. That's why I put 'healthy wholegrains' in the quote marks because they are pure glucose although the Frosties etc. are glucose plus fructose but at least we all know they are bad for kids. The other staff gets a pass.
\The original purpose of Kellog sanitorium cereal food was to dampen down lustful (carnivorous thoughts) which I guess having type 2 diabetes etc. from eating all that cereal might well do.
 
And they are putting security locks on cheese as it is being shoplifted!
 
Nicole as you say..there is no such thing as a 'healthy wholegrain ' product. They are all processed food as apposed to whole unadulterated food and they contain all sorts of unhealthy ingredients that have no health benefits whatsoever.

.Because they are processed they have little useful protein or minerals and any vitamins have been destroyed in the manufacturing process .This shows just how successful kellogs and other food manufacturers have been in their marketing tactics by brainwashing us into accepting their ridiculous health claims that they are somehow healthy for us .
I'm not even going to go into the Diabetic consequences of consuming any kind of grain.

You are so right about Kellogs and others not taking this lying down but we are fighting back .What did all the cigarette manufacturers do when ciggies were banned ??.....they bought heavily into the food industry . Its the same as big Pharma they are more powerful and influential than the Worlds Governments
 
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Indeed. Substitute mastication for that other alliteration.
 
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