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Ketogenic Diet

Nicksimmo

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Type of diabetes
Type 1.5
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Dear All

i am considering doing the ketogenic diet as i have heard that it helps with diabetes. Has anyone tried it and would recommend it?

Any thoughts would be welcome - Nick
 
Many on here eat a ketogenic diet and it does indeed help for many. When members talk about a low carb high fat diet there are as many different definitions of low carb as there are people doing it. If you bring the carb levels down low enough without overeating protein you become keto. I know the diet is a little more precise than that but that's it in a nutshell. As far as the diabetes goes, if you reduce carbs, you reduce blood sugar. I am going to tag @daisy1 for you for the welcoming info which will explain more about this. Welcome to the forum.
 
I'm also considering slimming world with a few tweaks. I know SW likes you to fill up on carbs etc but as a diabetic that's insane lol. so perhaps eat more low carb veg which i love and more protein with only maybe 15 - 30g of carbs per meal.
 
Thanks. AOF!! may consider it more. though i live with family so may have to insist on buying and cooking my own foods
 
I started a diet on August 1st (a version of the Newcastle diet) within a few days I was in ketosis, I went from 84 KG to 72 KG in under 6 weeks. But that is with a very low calorie intake, you can still do keto without the calorie starvation.
 
Often you may find that home cooked meals would just need the starchy carb elements removed (potato, rice and pasta are usual suspects) and attention paid to any sauces. So for example steak, chips and vegetables, would have the chips removed and perhaps replaced with furthered buttered vegetables and maybe some mushrooms. The starches can be replaced additionally with the versatile cauliflower.

If you become ketogenic or close, you most likely will find that there are too many choices to get through - this is the nice to have problem I have at the moment. Your taste will change which opens up further foods you previously would have overlooked. The first 2 - 3 weeks may be tough. If you fell a little weird you may need a little extra salt. Be prepared as you are likely to loose weight and improve your general health markers as well as your diabetes.
 
Dear All

i am considering doing the ketogenic diet as i have heard that it helps with diabetes. Has anyone tried it and would recommend it?

Any thoughts would be welcome - Nick
Works well for me.. I try to have less than 20g of carbs per day. Don't feel hungry either.
 
I thrive on keto. Before diabetes, type 2 and now insulin dependent. 20c or less per day. MODERATE protein. .8-1 g per kg LEAN body mass and just enough healthy fat to satisfy. An avocado a day, mayo, olive oil, nuts and pumpkin seeds. All kinds of different proteins and an array of above ground low carb veggies. Perfect in my world
 
@Nicksimmo

Hello Nick and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
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I'm also considering slimming world with a few tweaks. I know SW likes you to fill up on carbs etc but as a diabetic that's insane lol. so perhaps eat more low carb veg which i love and more protein with only maybe 15 - 30g of carbs per meal.
A ketogenic diet is normally under 50g carbs maximum a day and strictly around 20-25g a day, so your proposed quantity would be a reasonable low carb diet, but not necessarily ketogenic at a 30g per meal level. But any reduction in carbs is generally going to go some way to help with reducing glucose levels - you don't have to eat a ketogenic diet to do this.

To achieve ketosis, the aim is to reduce your carbs intake to a low enough level that it forces your body to make the chemical changes to be able to use fat for energy as well as carbs (which are easier for your body to utilize and it will use them preferentially). I needed to eat under 25g carbs a day for a couple of weeks to be sure I was definitely in ketosis, and then stay under the 50g level to stay there, but this can vary a little from person to person.

It's entirely possible with a bit of care and determination to share many meals with your family by just sticking with the meat and veggies and avoiding the high carb ingredients such as potatoes, rice, pasta, cereals or bread, and of course all the sweet sticky stuff.

Robbity
 
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