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Ketosis and how much to get out of it?

Debmcgee

Debmcgee

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Hi
Does anyone know if one are 20-30g a day of carbs, how much additional carbs would kick them out of ketosis?
Thanks x


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Borderline T2, serial yo-yo dieter but firmly sticking to LCHF with IF
 
Debmcgee said:
Hi
Does anyone know if one are 20-30g a day of carbs, how much additional carbs would kick them out of ketosis?
Thanks x


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Borderline T2, serial yo-yo dieter but firmly sticking to LCHF with IF
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Deb, I can't say I'm a slave to ketosis, but I have a feeling the answer may be a little similar to "how many carbs can I eat", in that your answer will be very personal. Do you test your urine or blood for ketones?

I have a feeling you may either have to test and experiment if knowing is really important to you.
 
Pardon me for being so ignorant, but what exactly are ketones and is it a health risk if one has it.


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I used to do pee sticks but they expired so don't do it any more.

I suppose I was wondering how much I could push it for a treat but not leave ketogenic state, otherwise it's not worth having the treat if it sets me back a week...


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  • Debmcgee said:
    I used to do pee sticks but they expired so don't do it any more.

    I suppose I was wondering how much I could push it for a treat but not leave ketogenic state, otherwise it's not worth having the treat if it sets me back a week...


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    In my experience a treat will set you back a few days but you could also exercise it off and empty your glycogen stores.
 
As far as I know/understand, when you're "keto adapted" (or possibly fat adapted - I'm completely befuddled about the correct term and whether there's a difference between the two anyway) as opposed to "in ketosis" the way your body processes its fuel has changed so it uses the most readily available and easily processed resources and just happily switches between them as necessary. But it's then also capable of popping in and out of ketosis at will - i.e. depending on how much fuel of what type you've eaten and how much you've used.

I can see variations in ketone levels at different times of the day or on consecutlve days (ranging from none to highish - see below). I don't eat any high carb food at all, and though I don't actually count my carbs I reckon on under 50g a day. I don't always see any correspondence between ketone levels and glucose levels, just various permutations of high and low!

I've been told by someone on the forum that you don't get thrown out of ketosis and from what I'm seeing if you're keto adapted (or whatever!) then you you can eat a bit higher carb, and maybe see higher glucose levels but remain keto adapted.

I use a Ketonix which measures ketones via the acetone in your breath, and uses a traffic lighs system of blue, green, yellow and red to show levels of nutritional ketosis, i.e. its "high" is nowhere near the much higher caution level for DKA.

Robbity

PS @Brunneria has posted a nice link while I've been fighting with my computer keyboard, which will explain better than me, so I'm going to sit and read it all now.
 
Brunneria said:
@Debmcgee

You may find this link interesting. I did. :D

[URL]http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/01/dont-be-a-ketard1.html[/URL]
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That was very interesting!! Still not totally sure what I am but I do know I am losing pure fat these days and I do not want to stray.

You know what I'm like and how I've lost my grit in the past so I think I'll have tiny bits of carb treats now and then just to taste it but not consume it. My kids won't be happy at my begging for a bit of what they've got, but if they love me, then I'm sure they'd share....

Thank you everyone for your input!

X


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Keesha said:
Pardon me for being so ignorant, but what exactly are ketones and is it a health risk if one has it.


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They caused by fatty acids released from your fat cells which travel to your liver and which in turn produce these ketone bodies.

You brain then uses these ketones as fuel instead of glucose. So you use fat as your fuel rather than sugar as your fuel.

The change from sugar burning to fat burning is called ketone adaption and takes about 2 weeks or more.

Your body will struggle to ketone adapt according to Noakes, Phinney, et al on 50g carbs or more per day.


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, BPM 85, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

16/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 6O, 11st 5lbs, waist 30", PWV 7.0. Lifelong migraines and hay fever gone.

Regime: 25g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting, occasionally longer fasts.
 
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Debmcgee said:
Hi
Does anyone know if one are 20-30g a day of carbs, how much additional carbs would kick them out of ketosis?
Thanks x


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Borderline T2, serial yo-yo dieter but firmly sticking to LCHF with IF
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50g or more per day will make ketone adaption taking you into ketosis unlikely according to Volek, Phinney et al.


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, BPM 85, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

16/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 6O, 11st 5lbs, waist 30", PWV 7.0. Lifelong migraines and hay fever gone.

Regime: 25g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting, occasionally longer fasts.
 
It's not really worth temptation then. I'm planning on staying on track and desperately want to hit my September target I've set myself. I'm on track at the moment but summer holidays are where it could all go wrong but I think it'll be ok. I'm much more strong than I've been before regarding this diet. It's been six months already and it's not been hard at all in hindsight. IF fits in nice and easy with life and if we're away, I'll just fast the whole time except for breakfast.

Thanks everyone xxx


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Borderline T2, serial yo-yo dieter but firmly sticking to LCHF with IF
 
Too much of anything can take you out of ketosis, including protein and fat. If we feed ourselves enough food the body won't go to our body stores
At least that's how I understand it and has been proven by my body
 
Kristin251 said:
Too much of anything can take you out of ketosis, including protein and fat. If we feed ourselves enough food the body won't go to our body stores
At least that's how I understand it and has been proven by my body
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Balance of the right fuel is the key for me also.

I would also add intermittent fasting, which seems to have solidly helped my BG stabilise even when I have excesses a little like on my weekend break:)
 
My ketones today are 0.9, so I am
pleased I've whipped myself into shape again after my last hols:)

Thanks for the link:)


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Have to say though some homeopathic stuff works. Acupuncture cured my lifelong painful periods in just two sessions and also helped me get pregnant after years of trying unsuccessfully and being told there was nothing wrong with me.


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Borderline T2, serial yo-yo dieter but firmly sticking to LCHF with IF
 
Debmcgee said:
Have to say though some homeopathic stuff works. Acupuncture cured my lifelong painful periods in just two sessions and also helped me get pregnant after years of trying unsuccessfully and being told there was nothing wrong with me.
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Homeopathy kept a pet rat of mine alive for 9 months after the vet gave up on him. It worked far better than antibiotics did.
Can't claim that was psychosomatic. Lol.

I have just changed vets to one that has a homeopath on the staff because of how well it worked on Reginald. :D
 
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Debmcgee said:
Hi
Does anyone know if one are 20-30g a day of carbs, how much additional carbs would kick them out of ketosis?
Thanks x
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