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Engineer88
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Any level is dangerous, there shouldnt be any present at all.
I have always had a small amount 0.1/0.3. I am ill atm ( being sick twice through the night) so I was told being ill can produce some keytones. I tested before and was 0.6 so it has risen but not sure if this ok. I am in bed as I still feel sick and a mild headache. 
Any1 can produce ketones, people on diets,sickness ect. Obv you need to keep close eye check regularly and do corrections to keep blood sugar levels down.
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mrsshirlj said:I have always had a small amount 0.1/0.3. I am ill atm ( being sick twice through the night) so I was told being ill can produce some keytones. I tested before and was 0.6 so it has risen but not sure if this ok. I am in bed as I still feel sick and a mild headache.
Ah yes but is this a "chicken and egg" situation. What I mean by this is that it could be the ketones causing you to be ill? Ketones will cause you to feel sick and have a direct affect on your nervous system. You say you have always had small amounts? Always having them isn't right. What have the Drs/Nurses said about that?
Dillinger
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All ketones are not dangerous.
If you are insulin dependent and are running high blood sugars and/or not taking your insulin as appropriate you may go into a state of ketoacidosis which is a problem that needs immediate attention (fluids and insulin); this is indeed marked by ketones in the urine/blood.
If you are low carbing or fasting and have adequate insulin present then moderate levels of ketones in the urine/blood are no more than an indication that you are metabolising fat; which is a good thing surely?
Below is the post from the sticky in the low-carb section of this forum that explains the difference.
Dillinger
Ketosis / Ketoacidosis
Diabetics, and even some health professionals, often confuse two quite distinct metabolic processes - ketosis and ketoacidosis. Ketosis is a perfectly natural and healthy state during which the body uses stored or dietary fat for fuel. In order to enter this state, carbohydrate intake needs to fall below a certain level. Ideally, a healthy metabolism should regularly use ketosis, while fasting overnight for example, to fuel the body's processes and utilise stored fat reserves. Most of the body's organs, the heart for example, in fact run very efficiently on ketones.
Ketoacidosis is quite different and is typically the result of a chronic lack of insulin, not a lack of carbohydrate. With insufficient insulin, the body attempts to fuel itself by breaking down fat and protein stores in an uncontrolled way, a process which results in the blood becoming dangerously acidic. In short, ketosis usually occurs when blood sugars are at the lower end of the normal range, and ketoacidosis occurs when blood sugars are dangerously elevated. Ketosis is a result of low carbohydrate intake, ketoacidosis is a result of inadequate insulin levels.
If you are insulin dependent and are running high blood sugars and/or not taking your insulin as appropriate you may go into a state of ketoacidosis which is a problem that needs immediate attention (fluids and insulin); this is indeed marked by ketones in the urine/blood.
If you are low carbing or fasting and have adequate insulin present then moderate levels of ketones in the urine/blood are no more than an indication that you are metabolising fat; which is a good thing surely?
Below is the post from the sticky in the low-carb section of this forum that explains the difference.
Dillinger
Ketosis / Ketoacidosis
Diabetics, and even some health professionals, often confuse two quite distinct metabolic processes - ketosis and ketoacidosis. Ketosis is a perfectly natural and healthy state during which the body uses stored or dietary fat for fuel. In order to enter this state, carbohydrate intake needs to fall below a certain level. Ideally, a healthy metabolism should regularly use ketosis, while fasting overnight for example, to fuel the body's processes and utilise stored fat reserves. Most of the body's organs, the heart for example, in fact run very efficiently on ketones.
Ketoacidosis is quite different and is typically the result of a chronic lack of insulin, not a lack of carbohydrate. With insufficient insulin, the body attempts to fuel itself by breaking down fat and protein stores in an uncontrolled way, a process which results in the blood becoming dangerously acidic. In short, ketosis usually occurs when blood sugars are at the lower end of the normal range, and ketoacidosis occurs when blood sugars are dangerously elevated. Ketosis is a result of low carbohydrate intake, ketoacidosis is a result of inadequate insulin levels.
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I do check for ketones if I'm unwell regardless of blood sugar levels. I also check for ketones if I feel fine but my sugars are high (over 13). I was always told and have the fact sheet from the hospital in front of me stating that levels between 0.0 and 0.6 are normal levels and no action is required.
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mrsshirlj said:I have always had a small amount 0.1/0.3. I am ill atm ( being sick twice through the night) so I was told being ill can produce some keytones. I tested before and was 0.6 so it has risen but not sure if this ok. I am in bed as I still feel sick and a mild headache.
There's some good advice here about testing for ketones and when to take necessary action:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care ... tones.html
I don't bother to test for ketones unless I'm ill, even then I always seem to get a negative result on the Keto Stick.....thankfully! Hope you feel better soon mrsshirlj and keep monitoring your bg and checking for ketones.
