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LCHF and the NHS

phoenix said:
Do you think that guidelines should be developed on anecdote?
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How do you think that the current guidelines were developed? Certainly not on the back of any long term scientific data.

As I said above, we know for sure from UKPDS that prescribing a high-carb diet to diabetics doesn't work. We also know that the there is no evidence that links fat consumption to cardiovascular mortality. I think it's time to start considering some alternatives don't you?
 
I think we should be very wary of these newspaper reports. There is much evidence about the side effects of statins but remember that the pharma companies that support many of these journals need to sell them to make profits. I suspect that they brought pressure on BMJ to suppress those figures bt saying they were incorrect.


Type 2. Was out of control till I found this forum. Low Carb and testing saved me. Glucophage 1 per day down from 4. HBa1c down to 36
 
Got told by my boss where l am at the moment when l explained l ate LCHF...
I hate to tell you but Atkins died of a heart attack

My reply
I hate to tell you we all die at some point. And l drive cars look how many thousands die in car crashes.

He walked off in disgust, apart from being a miserable sod his wife is a gp
 
Atkins didn't die from heart failure, he slipped and banged his head.

On April 8, 2003, at age 72, a day after a major snowstorm in New York, Atkins slipped on an icy pavement, suffering severe head trauma. He spent nine days in intensive care before dying on April 17, 2003, from complications from his head injury.
 
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Atkins died from a fall. But even if this urban myth was true it's still an illogical point as you rightly say.

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many thanks for that info l shall slide it into conversation all l knew was he had passed and so felt l would just make the point to him ...and his point was?
 
Instead of worrying about how Robert Atkins died, maybe you should all be worried about how Sue Townsend died: a numb fingered, blind amputee on dialysis. The choice between that and a heart attack is simple.

I sometimes wonder if some of the "anti-low-carb" scaremongers who happily post this sort of unfounded propaganda have any really concept of the human cost of what they are doing? You can probably count it on amputated fingers and toes.
 
....I hope that some DNs and GPs look at this forum and start to question what they've been taught about diabetes when they see how many of us low carb and have benefited from doing so.....I cannot blame GPs, after all it means 'general' practitioner, they don't specialise but DNs do ....... do they not question what they learn on their courses and updates...theory is all very well but its not the whole story....as someone once said 'there's none so blind as those who cannot see'.....

.....By the way I know most abbreviations but what is HCP please....?
 
Is, to lower carbs generally and switch to whole grains and low fat, the general concensus in most countries? Is it only Sweden that is strictly following the LCHF diet? Just wondering.
 

One big irony here is that LFHC diets appear to be very much the exception in the first place. Both throughout human history and amongst mammals. (Even herbivores tend to be more LCHF when their gut bacteria are looked at closely.)

So called "paleo" diets are generally LCHF since that is the conclusion reached from archeology and studying modern hunter-gather people.


That evidence is also against the low fat element. Though possibly not (yet) as much as against the high sugars element.

We would not want them to change national policy on a knee jerk reaction, so a bit of conservatism is appropriate.
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Even to correct a "knee jerk reaction" made fairly recently?
How long does it take the "status quo" to become the "status quo" anyway.


Though Microsoft appear to have learned from IBM's mistakes here.
 
runner2009 said:
I don't know anything about the rest of you but if I ate that healthy diet my BG would be sky rocketing and I'd still have nerve damage to my feet and toes.
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In which case "healthy" is hardly the most appropriate adjective, except when used sarcastically.
 


I believe the problem lies with the NHS policy. I believe there are many specialists who realise the benefits of low carbing but because it is against NHS policy are not able to advise on it. Only Drs and consultants probably have some persuasive say in NHS policy, but even they can not advise patients against NHS policy.

I wonder how many top NHS policy advisors have a 'sugar or carb' food connection or a pharmaceutical drug company company connection. Probably more than 50%. A lot of companies have a lot to lose if the NHS were to support low carb. And there lies the big problem.... Maybe support from meat farmers, nut, cheese, egg, butter suppliers etc would help change things.



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Pollylocks said:
....as someone once said 'there's none so blind as those who cannot see'.....
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The quote I grew up with was "There's none as blind as them that don't want to see". (Derbys - South Yorks - translated the end which was actually "them as dunna wanna see").

Perhaps even more apposite for the slight change.

I'm fairly sure that my DN gave me the NHS version, but at our second appointment strongly recommended 'Carbs and Cals'.


J.
 
Spiker said:
I cry FUD(*), phoenix.
* FUD = Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Deployed to support the status quo and oppose change, without any base in evidence.
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Good Lord Spiker! Are you Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon all rolled into one?!?!?!?!
 
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