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Julie27318 said:
.i mean why does it not fit in with their world view?
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Vegans are generally rather keen that meat and animal products shouldn't be eaten, indeed some of them are quite militant about it. Low carbers tend to begin their advice by saying you can eat meat, fish, poultry, cheese, eggs, cream, butter etc, which are all animal products, so vegans don't tend to like us very much.

You can, of course, eat a vegan low carb diet, but the necessary fats and proteins have a narrow range of possible sources.
Sally
 
Julie27318 said:
Why though....i mean why does it not fit in with their world view?
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The doctor is listed as being the first vegan president of the American association of cariologists. He may be a vegan because he has learnt of the immense dangers of eating animal products but it is more likely a moral stance which is then shaping his biases. It is a shame because plant based diets also focus on high quality non processed foods, not too much protein and no sugars which is why those diets are great compared to the standard Western one. IMO they are not great because they avoid animal products and that omission means they have to replace B vitamins, iron, D and A.
 
Julie27318 said:
I'm shocked that they're saying Lchf is bad 4 your health
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The diet that is WFPB is a high carb low fat diet and is based on whole grains. Our forum here is full of evidence both anecdotal and scientific that supports the view that an HCLF diet is not suitable for diabetics in general, I suggest you ask the WFPB website for evidence that supports their stance. So far most of their 'science' is based on the Adventist 2 study which has been shown to be a highly suspect and biassed study that was run by the 7th Day Adventists to 'prove' that their way of life is the most healthy. This may explain where the WFPB proponents gets their zeal from.

Followers of WFPB will make claims that their diet is a cure for T2D, but having tried it myself I can say that I found it took my bgl levels way too high and was actually dangerous for me. Others here have also experienced adverse effects from their diet, and so far to date there seems to be no one who has reported success using their diet plan. Check out the Success testimonials thread, because if it really worked for diabetics, then there should be at least 1 entry, but last time I scanned it there was zero. ZILCH!

There was a recent discussion in the forum of a comparison between diets being conducted by Harvard that also turned out to be heavily biassed in favour of this HF diet. but in fact the data they used supported the Low Carb diet, but the conclusion they incorrectly drew was the opposite. It was quite blatent, but got news coverage recently using just the summary section without any attempts to check if the study was reliable. EDIT to add: this is the report that was just linkd into this thread a few posts ago

This is not saying that a vegan diet is wrong or dangerous, it is merely this particular variant that we have problems with, along with their insistance that it will cure diabetes ( along with cancer, Parkinsons, dementia and 309 associated ills to quote their sales spiel and books). There are people who successfully follow a vegan diet and there is advice in the forum and its own thread. But WFPB is a different beastie.
 
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Well, not wanting to die too early is at the heart, if I can say such, of many of our diabetes journeys in here, including our in depth discussions about the better or best diets for us to live on in the attempt to live on. I know @Oldvatr and I have discussed such for sure. So it is certainly understandable why that headline makes such an impact on us. I know my partner made a point of sending me the article, basically in terms of, "know thy enemy", which is important for us to know, when our lives literally depend on it.

Of course we are all going to die, we just don't want to die too early.

It is of course hilarious, and ridiculous, the idea that going low/er carb and eating healthy fats will shorten lifespans. For how long in our species' history have we been eating the opposite? Only 50 or so years. It's good that we call studies and commentators and articles out on this. And it is really healthy for us to have a good laugh over it.
 
britishpub said:
Not this particular poster

It should be obvious to everyone that it only posts to disrupt.
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I disagree with this. OP has other forum posts that are not contentions, and seems to be an omnivore, so is not promoting WFPB as some have done in the past. There is nothing in the followin posts that the OP has made that would support your POV in this.
 
The conclusion from the actual referenced study...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3555979/
"Conclusion
Low-carbohydrate diets were associated with a significantly higher risk of all-cause mortality and they were not significantly associated with a risk of CVD mortality and incidence. However, this analysis is based on limited observational studies and large-scale trials on the complex interactions between low-carbohydrate diets and long-term outcomes are needed."

My cursory layman understanding is that those on Keto/low-carb diet are likely to die from something else...NOT CVD...

Then again...these are the limitations of such studies...
"The adjustment factors and the risk of bias among the studies are summarized in Table 2 and Table S1, respectively. Major confounding factors such as total energy intake were not stated in two studies. [23], [32] Few inspected any updates of the carbohydrate intake over the follow-up period. Protein source was added to analysis in 3 studies. [7], [9], [30] The risk of bias among the researches involved in the meta-analysis was low."

So we are free to interpret it in any way and wonder if it is really low carb... Frankly no one has any concrete data for long term effects of keto/low carb diet 5,10,15,20 years ...those who argue against it simply don't have the hard data at the moment because no researchers would be funded by pharma for such "dangerous" studies...
 
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