Limited breakfast/lunch ideas

Madhon said:

he slimming world group leader for her is type 1 diabetic and has said its an ok one for diatetcs.

Thanks

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The Slimming World Group Leader may think that SW meals are fine for her. As a T1 diabetic she will be on insulin and will be told by her specialists that it's fine for her, because she can cover the carbs with an insulin dose. It's not really to be recommended for T2s, especially if not on medication, because it's really a high carb way of eating, because of the fact that they're so keen on low fat foods(and lots of processed stuff as well, which isn't so good for us). The low fat foods they are so keen on usually have the fat replaced by sugar.........

Karen19056 said:

Hi. I was diagnosed over 5 yrs ago T2. I was send on a diabetes course they tell you to eat a healthy normal diet and give you pointers. Usually your GP refers you on diagnosis. I have been lucky to keep my hba1c between 46 and 50 on diet alone. I have had a stressful 6 months my last readings were 65 So have been put on Jardinine (I think it's called) with the hope of getting back to 46. I'm under the Intermediate Diabetic Dietitan. For breakfast I have 40g of porridge or bran with yoghurt and fruit. Have now reduced to 30g as trying to lose weight. I have sour dough bread 2 slices with meat/fish/cheese/eggs/salad and dinner I have 60g of uncooked rice, pasta 4 new potatoes with skins on with veg/chicken/fish. Having carbs is not a prob to the specialist team I see. Perhaps save getting conflicting advice for you personally you should ask you diabetes nurse/GP to send you on course or dietitian for right advice for you to manage yr condition.

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With the best will in the world, information given on a diabetic course 5 years ago, is now VERY out of date. What you were advised then is now more or less reversed and diabetics are being advised that carbs are the enemy, and to lower their carb intake.
This is certainly the approach of my consultant, dietician and nursing team.

Karen19056 said:

Hi. I was diagnosed over 5 yrs ago T2. I was send on a diabetes course they tell you to eat a healthy normal diet and give you pointers. Usually your GP refers you on diagnosis. I have been lucky to keep my hba1c between 46 and 50 on diet alone. I have had a stressful 6 months my last readings were 65 So have been put on Jardinine (I think it's called) with the hope of getting back to 46. I'm under the Intermediate Diabetic Dietitan. For breakfast I have 40g of porridge or bran with yoghurt and fruit. Have now reduced to 30g as trying to lose weight. I have sour dough bread 2 slices with meat/fish/cheese/eggs/salad and dinner I have 60g of uncooked rice, pasta 4 new potatoes with skins on with veg/chicken/fish. Having carbs is not a prob to the specialist team I see. Perhaps save getting conflicting advice for you personally you should ask you diabetes nurse/GP to send you on course or dietitian for right advice for you to manage yr condition.

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Hi Karen,

You know, those are still diabetic numbers (above 48)... Meaning in the long run they'll damage your eyes, kidneys, bloodvessels, heart, well, basically everything... You're so close to prediabetic/non-diabetic numbers though, it wouldn't take much to get you out of that zone. But it's up to you of course. If you're happy with how things are going, run with it. Me... I've seen too many complications up close, and I've seen people pass away due to them: it is one heck of a motivator. And my (keto) diet is perfectly healthy, just had a check with my GP this week and everything's pretty much fine; no nutritional deficiencies, healthy as a horse. My HbA1c is still solidly in the non-diabetic range. Just something to think about. Or not. If you want more information, check dietdoctor.com, this forum's website, Dr. Jason Fung's the Diabetes Code (book) and my own little quick-start guide: https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/blog-entry/the-nutritional-thingy.2330/ If not, well, I see you're new here so I'll just say "Welcome!" and hope this place'll be of use to you! There's a load of good people here with a lot of helpful information. Enjoy your stay.
Jo

My diabetic 2 dietitian gave me this official diet plan. On it I lost 16kg in about 8 months and my Hba1c went from 90 to 39. I never went hungry( but had cravings). I still use it now but add in a bit extra fat with a keto diet

nettie 2 said:

My diabetic 2 dietitian gave me this official diet plan. On it I lost 16kg in about 8 months and my Hba1c went from 90 to 39. I never went hungry( but had cravings). I still use it now but add in a bit extra fat with a keto diet

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I think my HbA1c would have gone to over 100 on that lot!

nettie 2 said:

My diabetic 2 dietitian gave me this official diet plan. On it I lost 16kg in about 8 months and my Hba1c went from 90 to 39. I never went hungry( but had cravings). I still use it now but add in a bit extra fat with a keto diet

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That’s not a keto diet, that’s a standard high carb diet.

wiflib said:

That’s not a keto diet, that’s a standard high carb diet.

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Well, whatever it is, it worked for @nettie 2 - and by the way - welcome to the boards Nettie

WuTwo said:

Well, whatever it is, it worked for @nettie 2 - and by the way - welcome to the boards Nettie

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It did but calling that a keto diet is wrong, it’s so far away from keto.

wiflib said:

It did but calling that a keto diet is wrong, it’s so far away from keto.

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True, but it is a good deal lower carb than high carb if it works out at about 100g per day. Normal is in the 200's, so goodness only knows what actual high carb is

WuTwo said:

True, but it is a good deal lower carb than high carb if it works out at about 100g per day. Normal is in the 200's, so goodness only knows what actual high carb is

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I understood that anything under 100 carbs was low carb although I know many people here have a lot fewer than that. I was diagnosed T2 last August. To start I limited carbs to <70g/day and more recently have upped that to <90g/day. In reality most days I only eat around 40g. This way I have got my HbA1c down to 37 and lost 5.5 stone in weight. Seems different amounts maybe work differently for different folk.

@Wishman - you've done great!!

Karen19056 said:

Hi. I was diagnosed over 5 yrs ago T2. I was send on a diabetes course they tell you to eat a healthy normal diet and give you pointers. Usually your GP refers you on diagnosis. I have been lucky to keep my hba1c between 46 and 50 on diet alone. I have had a stressful 6 months my last readings were 65 So have been put on Jardinine (I think it's called) with the hope of getting back to 46. I'm under the Intermediate Diabetic Dietitan. For breakfast I have 40g of porridge or bran with yoghurt and fruit. Have now reduced to 30g as trying to lose weight. I have sour dough bread 2 slices with meat/fish/cheese/eggs/salad and dinner I have 60g of uncooked rice, pasta 4 new potatoes with skins on with veg/chicken/fish. Having carbs is not a prob to the specialist team I see. Perhaps save getting conflicting advice for you personally you should ask you diabetes nurse/GP to send you on course or dietitian for right advice for you to manage yr condition.

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I am sorry Karen but I would never give this advice to any newly diagnosed type 2 diabetic.
They used to believe most of us would get worse over time, often ending up on insulin. More recent research showed this is not true if we adopt low carb or 'very low calorie' instead. Very low calorie can only be done under strict medical supervision but low carb is available for all or us, and with a suitable low carb diet many newly diagnosed diabetics can get into remission (ie blood glucose down into the normal range) and others can often reduce medication and improve their longer term risks.
Many diabetic nurses, and GPs have not caught up with this even though officially the NHS supports low carb eating for type 2 diabetes.
The Dietitians are working to older guidelines, such as the Eatwell guide that was designed for people without diabetes.
I've been low carb for over a year and all my blood tests for the last 10 months have been within normal. And contrary to the old ideas, I also lowered my cholesterol and triglycerides into the normal range without drugs on a low carb, higher fat diet.
I never eat rice, pasta, ordinary bread, oat porridge, etc.

I don't like eggs first thing, but tested a mix of milled flaxseed, chia seeds and a little oatbran to find a consistency I liked - it's made with water and a little coconut milk, served with cinnamon and double cream.

One of the things I liked about the LCHF diet was that it eliminated my food cravings after a couple of weeks. It was very much uncharted territory for me after years of battling my weight and sweet tooth. As the cravings went away, the rather time consuming interest in cooking & baking went away. I was unaware of how much space all of that took up in my life. We still eat well and enjoy our meals, but they are simpler and less of a focus than previously. The idea of skipping breakfast was practically heretical as "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" is such an orthodoxy. In fact, a 2nd cup of coffee with heavy cream (sinful in the mainstream food bibles) keeps me going till noon or later without a twinge and I use the time to go for a 20-30km bike ride instead. Lunch sometimes becomes breakfast or the main meal of the day with whatever suits our fancy- I did initially make a lot of "faux food" eg low carb crackers and bread, but now find all that too much bother. I save my baking skills for low carb cheesecake.

And it also lowered my numbers to more acceptable levels quite quickly...