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Linaglyptin and metformin

Rozy

Member
Messages
12
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi again

Things are no better, with the Linaglyptin only my BG readings were far too high, still up to 13.0 three hours after my evening meal. I phoned my Diabetes Nurse last Friday who advised introducing 500g SR metformin to take in the morning at the same time as the Linaglyptin. I started this on Saturday morning just gone and BG levels no better. I am 8.8 in the morning fasting and still 7.7 four hours after just one slice of wholemeal toast for breakfast. I am very worried, any opinions?
 
Just a suggestion but have you tried full fat natural greek yogurt for breakfast. I now eat it every morning and it certainly works for me - I cannot eat bread other than the protein rolls from Lidl...........
 
Metformin takes weeks to build up in your system. It will not do much right away. 500 mg is also a very low starting dose.Have you considered reducing your carb intake? A lot of people including me are at their most insulin resistant first thing in the morning and toast or other carbs will drive your already high BG higher. Yogurt would be better or eggs. I will tag @daisy1 to send you some welcoming information you might find very useful :)
 
Just a suggestion but have you tried full fat natural greek yogurt for breakfast. I now eat it every morning and it certainly works for me - I cannot eat bread other than the protein rolls from Lidl...........
Hi, Thanks, no I have not tried it, I am not a lover of yogurt really. I have not tried the protein rolls from Lidl as yet. I am three years since diagnosis and until a couple of months ago was well controlled on 40 mg Gliclazide in the morning and 1000mg Metformin with evening meal. I didn't have to worry too much about carb counting just sensible eating. I complained to my GP that I felt the metformin was putting me off my food and so he and the Nurse changed me to Linaglyptin and have since added in the metformin 500 as I said, now I am worse than ever, my reading are all over the place.
 
Metformin takes weeks to build up in your system. It will not do much right away. 500 mg is also a very low starting dose.Have you considered reducing your carb intake? A lot of people including me are at their most insulin resistant first thing in the morning and toast or other carbs will drive your already high BG higher. Yogurt would be better or eggs. I will tag @daisy1 to send you some welcoming information you might find very useful :)

Hi, Thanks, . I am three years since diagnosis and until a couple of months ago was well controlled on 40 mg Gliclazide in the morning and 1000mg Metformin with evening meal. I didn't have to worry too much about carb counting just sensible eating. I complained to my GP that I felt the metformin was putting me off my food and so he and the Nurse changed me to Linaglyptin and have since added in the metformin 500 as I said, now I am worse than ever, my readings are all over the place. I am really now worried and upset and obviously this will be adding to my problem. I found last night that my reading 2 hours after evening meal was 8.5, not too bad, then it continued to rise to 9.9 before bed. By the way, I was taken off the Gliclazide as I had complained about painful hunger pangs even when I knew I really should not be hungry. I am seeing my Nurse tomorrow and I think will suggest that I go back to my original medication metformin 1000mg and Gliclazide 40mg and put up with the side effects. I would appreciate your opinion?

Thanks
 
I also never ate yogurt prior to becoming diabetic - I have learned to like it and hoping to get to the point of loving it - I do add Vermont sugar free/calorie free syrup to it as I have a sweet tooth ( I purchase the syrup from the web ).....
It actually lowers my readings so I am happy to stick with it. I take 4 x 500g of Metformin a day + Stitagliptin x 1 every day, the Metformin did take a while before I had no issues with taking it.
I did find that controlling my carbs has helped to lower my blood glucose readings.
Read more on here and good luck, lots of guidance from other people who have managed greater successes than I have.
 
Hi. Can you let us know what your weight/BMI is to help eliminate the possibility of being Late onset T1.

Hi, I am around 15 stone and due to bad arthritis I have trouble with exercise. Any further help would be welcome, thanks again.
 
Hi, I am around 15 stone and due to bad arthritis I have trouble with exercise. Any further help would be welcome, thanks again.
Hi again, I have been wondering over the last few days whether in fact my own natural insulin is now non existent.
 
@Rozy

Hello Rozy. Here is the information we give to new members, mentioned above, in case you haven't seen it already, and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi, Thanks, . I am three years since diagnosis and until a couple of months ago was well controlled on 40 mg Gliclazide in the morning and 1000mg Metformin with evening meal. I didn't have to worry too much about carb counting just sensible eating. I complained to my GP that I felt the metformin was putting me off my food and so he and the Nurse changed me to Linaglyptin and have since added in the metformin 500 as I said, now I am worse than ever, my readings are all over the place. I am really now worried and upset and obviously this will be adding to my problem. I found last night that my reading 2 hours after evening meal was 8.5, not too bad, then it continued to rise to 9.9 before bed. By the way, I was taken off the Gliclazide as I had complained about painful hunger pangs even when I knew I really should not be hungry. I am seeing my Nurse tomorrow and I think will suggest that I go back to my original medication metformin 1000mg and Gliclazide 40mg and put up with the side effects. I would appreciate your opinion?

Thanks

It would be insightful for us if you are able to share what you had for dinner. That may give us some idea as to what causes the rise to 9.9 mmol inspite of your medication.
 
@Rozy

Hello Rozy. Here is the information we give to new members, mentioned above, in case you haven't seen it already, and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Many thanks Daisy, this is most helpful. Thanks again

Rozy
 
Hi, Thanks, . I am three years since diagnosis and until a couple of months ago was well controlled on 40 mg Gliclazide in the morning and 1000mg Metformin with evening meal. I didn't have to worry too much about carb counting just sensible eating. I complained to my GP that I felt the metformin was putting me off my food and so he and the Nurse changed me to Linaglyptin and have since added in the metformin 500 as I said, now I am worse than ever, my readings are all over the place. I am really now worried and upset and obviously this will be adding to my problem. I found last night that my reading 2 hours after evening meal was 8.5, not too bad, then it continued to rise to 9.9 before bed. By the way, I was taken off the Gliclazide as I had complained about painful hunger pangs even when I knew I really should not be hungry. I am seeing my Nurse tomorrow and I think will suggest that I go back to my original medication metformin 1000mg and Gliclazide 40mg and put up with the side effects. I would appreciate your opinion?

Thanks
I really have no experience at all with those medications except the metformin. I am currently on 1500mg of metformin and 10 mg forxiga and it seems to be helping. I had a few bad days when I started the metformin and a couple nightmare bathroom days when it was increased but got past it and I am OK now, I eat very low carb and I am slowly losing weight. My numbers, especially my fasting in the morning, are not where I want them to be and I am waiting for an endo referral to happen. I hear your frustration as my numbers are slowly rising despite my best efforts. I hope you can get it sorted out and I am sorry I can't offer much advise but I can offer commiseration :):banghead:
 
I really have no experience at all with those medications except the metformin. I am currently on 1500mg of metformin and 10 mg forxiga and it seems to be helping. I had a few bad days when I started the metformin and a couple nightmare bathroom days when it was increased but got past it and I am OK now, I eat very low carb and I am slowly losing weight. My numbers, especially my fasting in the morning, are not where I want them to be and I am waiting for an endo referral to happen. I hear your frustration as my numbers are slowly rising despite my best efforts. I hope you can get it sorted out and I am sorry I can't offer much advise but I can offer commiseration :):banghead:

Thanks you for getting in touch, its an uphill struggle sometimes isn't it. Good luck to you too.

Rozy
 
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