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Live longer with a whole food diet

Oldvatr

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I do not see the word diabetes there so I assume this is meant to be a general report. It seems to contain the usual mantra that is promoted by Big Food.
I note that the reports and research mentioned (all in general terms so no way to check the references) does not reveal who has funded this research. I smell a rat in the carbs.
 
kitedoc said:
I do not see the word diabetes there so I assume this is meant to be a general report. It seems to contain the usual mantra that is promoted by Big Food.
I note that the reports and research mentioned (all in general terms so no way to check the references) does not reveal who has funded this research. I smell a rat in the carbs.
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Probably killed by too many carbs, or carbs of the wrong sort.

Edit to add: The report links to another older study that was totally blasted in another thread here on the forum, Also from Boston Brigham Hosp. it was presented at the Cardiac EU Symposium in 2018, and was publicly decried as biassed. It was also published in the Lancet (online blogzine, not the Lancet proper).
 
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What I see is a generalized report aimed at Americans. Remember, in the US, “carbs” means something different than it does in the UK. So eating more whole grains is definitely better for you than eating more super refined grains. If you don’t eat any fruit at all, and you have so far managed to avoid the high BG dart, eating some fruit with its peel on is better than eating fruit (read, highly sugared) gloop that comes in public school lunches. Eating highly colored vegetables is much better for you than eating highly colored breakfast cereal or candy. That’s really where the US is, folks…
I am not at all trying to be argumentative! Most Americans have such an awful diet that if they follow these guidelines they would definitely live longer!
 
zauberflote said:
What I see is a generalized report aimed at Americans. Remember, in the US, “carbs” means something different than it does in the UK. So eating more whole grains is definitely better for you than eating more super refined grains. If you don’t eat any fruit at all, and you have so far managed to avoid the high BG dart, eating some fruit with its peel on is better than eating fruit (read, highly sugared) gloop that comes in public school lunches. Eating highly colored vegetables is much better for you than eating highly colored breakfast cereal or candy. That’s really where the US is, folks…
I am not at all trying to be argumentative! Most Americans have such an awful diet that if they follow these guidelines they would definitely live longer!
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What do carbs mean in the UK?
 
zauberflote said:
What I see is a generalized report aimed at Americans. Remember, in the US, “carbs” means something different than it does in the UK. So eating more whole grains is definitely better for you than eating more super refined grains. If you don’t eat any fruit at all, and you have so far managed to avoid the high BG dart, eating some fruit with its peel on is better than eating fruit (read, highly sugared) gloop that comes in public school lunches. Eating highly colored vegetables is much better for you than eating highly colored breakfast cereal or candy. That’s really where the US is, folks…
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You missed a bit - the bit where they state that the probable cause for worse mortality for low carb is the eating of animal products.
 
zauberflote said:
What I see is a generalized report aimed at Americans. Remember, in the US, “carbs” means something different than it does in the UK. So eating more whole grains is definitely better for you than eating more super refined grains. If you don’t eat any fruit at all, and you have so far managed to avoid the high BG dart, eating some fruit with its peel on is better than eating fruit (read, highly sugared) gloop that comes in public school lunches. Eating highly colored vegetables is much better for you than eating highly colored breakfast cereal or candy. That’s really where the US is, folks…
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I really don't think there is any difference between the US diet and the UK diet in general. The 'Modern Western Diet' sums it up wherever you are. The figures for obesity and T2 Diabetes may be higher in the US but the UK is catching up, fast.
 
zauberflote said:
What I see is a generalized report aimed at Americans. Remember, in the US, “carbs” means something different than it does in the UK. So eating more whole grains is definitely better for you than eating more super refined grains. If you don’t eat any fruit at all, and you have so far managed to avoid the high BG dart, eating some fruit with its peel on is better than eating fruit (read, highly sugared) gloop that comes in public school lunches. Eating highly colored vegetables is much better for you than eating highly colored breakfast cereal or candy. That’s really where the US is, folks…
I am not at all trying to be argumentative! Most Americans have such an awful diet that if they follow these guidelines they would definitely live longer!
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I have no idea what you mean. Are you in the US? in what way are US carbs different in meaning?

I am in the UK. Grains, in any form or degree of processing, are carbs. Fruit is fruit, so i am not sure what you mean by fruit being a highly sugared gloop. I am not sure you have grasped what carbs are.
 
lucylocket61 said:
I have no idea what you mean. Are you in the US? in what way are US carbs different in meaning?

I am in the UK. Grains, in any form or degree of processing, are carbs. Fruit is fruit, so i am not sure what you mean by fruit being a highly sugared gloop. I am not sure you have grasped what carbs are.
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Perhaps the member is thinking of HFCS? Luckily we here in the UK are not awash with it as they seem to be in the Americas.
 
lucylocket61 said:
I have no idea what you mean. Are you in the US? in what way are US carbs different in meaning?

I am in the UK. Grains, in any form or degree of processing, are carbs. Fruit is fruit, so i am not sure what you mean by fruit being a highly sugared gloop. I am not sure you have grasped what carbs are.
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The US food labelling differs from UK in that the US carbs value includes fibre, but UK ones omit the fibre or list it seperate. So US is Gross, UK is Nett to put it scientifically.
 
lucylocket61 said:
I have no idea what you mean. Are you in the US? in what way are US carbs different in meaning?

I am in the UK. Grains, in any form or degree of processing, are carbs. Fruit is fruit, so i am not sure what you mean by fruit being a highly sugared gloop. I am not sure you have grasped what carbs are.
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Unfortunately fruit is not fruit, not when it has been processed to within an inch of its life. We aren't quite at the level of the US in terms of gloop liberally dosed with HFCS and other 'goodies', but we are catching up: you only have to look at the acres of displays of over-packaged tubey yoghurt things for children and also the fruit leathers. Some of these are ok-ish (easy to make your own) but others have all sorts of added stuff, including loads of sugar. @zauberflote is highlighting that the average American would do far better to make the changes to their diet as they have mentioned. This could also apply to the 'benefits' of the NHS Eatwell Plate as opposed to a diet of gloop in various forms, coupled with lots of junk food - we know the problems with the EW Plate but it is a way of getting people onto a better diet. Although I despair for the young child I saw in the supermarket the other day at 10am, tucking into a Sunny D and a packet of crisps....
 
OK the source of the new information is based on the ARIC study
https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/science/atherosclerosis-risk-communities-aric-study
https://www2.cscc.unc.edu/aric/PIs_and_Study_Sites

What Sara S and cohorts did was to take their 2017/2018 data study which got so lambasted in Aug 2018, and merged it with the ARIC data to produce their shiny 'new findings'. Now ARIC did not find or mention anything about lifestyle effects, but somehow the Harvard people found what they wanted to bolster their biassed first report, The ARIC study did report the following as a key outcome
"The study produced some of the first evidence that lifestyle factors contribute to the risk of venous thromboembolism, a blood clot that starts in a vein, offering possible keys to prevention." but did not elaborate on causes.

The ARIC collected data from 4 communities. These were mainly in the Southern States. There were only 4 follow up sessions in the 25 years study. so this is what the lifestyle calculations are based on 5 samples per living participant at completion, The last review was 2013, so Low Carb in its nappies still, so not sure how Sara S can conclude LC diets are bad since this new data will hardly reflect this WOE. Also I surmise that the number of vegetarians is fairly low compared to today. Since Sara S and team gave equal ranking to animal vs veggie, then a low sample will skew the results adversly if doing a meta study using Hazard Ratio statistics.
 
@NoCrbs4Me in UK it’s net carbs they’re counting. Their nutrition labels are written differently. So I’m joining in on that
@Oldvatr you are right, I skimmed it too fast... sorry! Also, on the fool injection!!!
@Guzzler yuk I didn’t know that!
@lucylocket61 I am a bad communicator, I am sorry! ... yes, I’m in US, and yes you are right, carbs is carbs everywhere, but our nutrition labels differ in the breakout of fiber vs non fiber. Our figures go, total carbs, then two subheadings: fiber and sugars. As I understand it, UK lists what we here in US call “ net carbs” (total minus fiber) as the main heading. The fruit gloop I mentioned is, for example, applesauce cooked with plenty of table sugar. Canned fruits in “heavy syrup”, which is a thick simple sugar syrup. I’ll try to speak more clearly!
Oh yes @Guzzler I forgot about hfcs, which we are indeed awash in!
Thank you @Sue192 for following and clarifying my convoluted communications!
 
zauberflote said:
@NoCrbs4Me in UK it’s net carbs they’re counting. Their nutrition labels are written differently. So I’m joining in on that
@Oldvatr you are right, I skimmed it too fast... sorry! Also, on the fool injection!!!
@Guzzler yuk I didn’t know that!
@lucylocket61 I am a bad communicator, I am sorry! ... yes, I’m in US, and yes you are right, carbs is carbs everywhere, but our nutrition labels differ in the breakout of fiber vs non fiber. Our figures go, total carbs, then two subheadings: fiber and sugars. As I understand it, UK lists what we here in US call “ net carbs” (total minus fiber) as the main heading. The fruit gloop I mentioned is, for example, applesauce cooked with plenty of table sugar. Canned fruits in “heavy syrup”, which is a thick simple sugar syrup. I’ll try to speak more clearly!
Oh yes @Guzzler I forgot about hfcs, which we are indeed awash in!
Thank you @Sue192 for following and clarifying my convoluted communications!
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You have probably heard some of Robert Lustig's lectures on YouTube, if not, he gets really, really het up about HFCS. He is a consultant paediatrician and is passionate about his patients, so passionate in fact that he took a law degree to (I think) make sure that Big Food couldn't litigate against anything he said/says. So you can be sure he has fact checked all of his data. He's none too fussy about sugar, either!
 
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