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misterdj

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Looking for some thoughts. was diagnosed in feb as type 2. Im 41 and was about a stone over weight. Have gone on a low carb diet and have seen some great results. Bloof glucose is generally around the 5 or 6 level.

My GP wants to put me on Metformin. Does anyone have any thoughts on the long term use of Metformin and insulin sensitising agents? If i start to take them now will i have to eventually take more and more as the years progress?

Thanks
 
misterdj said:
Looking for some thoughts. was diagnosed in feb as type 2. Im 41 and was about a stone over weight. Have gone on a low carb diet and have seen some great results. Bloof glucose is generally around the 5 or 6 level.

My GP wants to put me on Metformin. Does anyone have any thoughts on the long term use of Metformin and insulin sensitising agents? If i start to take them now will i have to eventually take more and more as the years progress?

Thanks

since Jan my mataformin was reduced from 2x500 twice a day to 1x500 twice a day then got a call from the doc on the 13th to stop the mataformin as my results where very good yippee
results not from following nhs advice dont test and eat a balanced diet
but from advice on this site
cut down on carbs to test with a meter my Readings lately fall around the six mark with the odd 5ish
 
I'd hold off taking it for a while but do keep testing and low carbing.

I tend to take a reading during the morning and evening, then medicate accordingly. I find that this works well for me as I am an 'eat when I'm hungry' chap, not when I'm told to. I am prescribed 4 x 500 mg Met per day but rarely exceed 2, usually 1, partly because they do NOT like the red wine as much as I do ! My HBA1C last time was 36, a bit low for my liking.

If you do decide to take Met be ready with a clear path to the loo ! keep your running spikes on !

Good luck

Superchip
 
I like metformin :) I've read some really good stuff about it, as far as I'm concerned it's a wonder drug, I'm sure that's contentious though, just my opinion, and seeing as I have no choice I may as well like em.


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Hi. Metformin is not a problem drug; it is safe and helps a bit with glucose reduction, appetite reduction and does improve insulin sensitivity. It's not a drug you need to increase over time as such. Many people go up to the max dose of 2000mg quickly if needed to reduce blood sugar and then that's it.
 
Hmmm - wonder drug it might be but it sounds like you are progressing well with the low carbs ..... I would hold off if I were you.
I was on 2g of slow release metformin per day - but I didn't like the effect it had on my bowels. Low carbs works for me and the weight has kept off as well !


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Andy12345 said:
I like metformin :) I've read some really good stuff about it, as far as I'm concerned it's a wonder drug, I'm sure that's contentious though, just my opinion, and seeing as I have no choice I may as well like em.


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I'm glad it's not just me! I like Metformin too. I'm more anxious that my doctor might suggest that I stop it, as some people's doctors seem to have done. I would fight my case very hard if he tried to do that though. I'm a bit obsessive about blood sugars and can't imagine NOT taking a drug that might help to lower them, even if only by a little bit. I was started on one a day, but given enough on prescription to go up to three per day which is what I have done. My main problem is remembering to take them - I'm rubbish at that!


Type 2 on Metformin, diagnosed Jan 2013, ultra low carber, Hba1C at diagnosis 8% (64), average BS now between 5 and 6 mmol.
 
This is why we're all individual.
Its great we have diversity as i'm pleased metformin works for some people despite a reluctance to take it myself.
 
As well as lowering blood sugar and increasing insulin sensitivity, metformin has well proven cardio vascular protection benefits. In my view it is worth taking it for this reason alone, irrespective of whether you have good control of blood sugar or not
 
Spoken like my Dad ,:grin: (he takes it)
Also type 2.
I do cardio exercise for my heart , and the flax helps there too.
 
I'm type 1 with with insulin resistance. I wish I could take metformin but it makes me ill! 1 tablet makes me so gassy I feel like I could explode and anymore than that I actually do! With 2 young babies I can't be running to the toilet every 5 mins. My mother was on 6 a day for years and had chronic diarreah. They diagnosed her with crohns. And gave her medicine for that. I mentioned that the metformin made me ill and her doc stopped her taking them. And her symptoms disappeared. She's now back on them (2 a day) and only has toilet trouble occasionally.


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Met is one of the good drugs. If you can tolerate it, you should take it.

I can't, so I don't. :cry:
 
Thanks for all the thoughts. I dont have an issue with Metformin as it is. I think i read somewhere its made from the french lily plant so is natural. But i would prefer to manage my levels with food rather than drugs.

Guess im going to see how i get on over the next few months and make a decision
 
visitorf1 said:
met is a horrbible drug with desperate side effects not listed here or by medical profesion ,think twice before you take it especially if you have any other medical problems with digestive system as it can be dangerous .

I couldn't disagree more. Metformin has been a frontline drug of choice for decades, and despite the fact that some people experience unpleasant side effects it is well proven to be extremely safe and extremely effective.
 
The Daily Express recently ran an article on Metformin, apparently a research study in China has found that taking metformin can reduce the chances of contracting certain types of cancer!

Yes, it can play havoc with the bowels, in my case causing loose stools and explosive gas - not the greatest combination! Changing to slow release and halving the dosage cured that though! Also taking it with food, not before or after, helps!

Overall, it it such a widely used drug, it is considered to be inherently safe!

Just my opinion!

:)

Bob
 
I take glimclamide, as metformin makes me itch uncontrolably. If you can do without any drug, I am of the opinion that you should, but when the inevitable time comes, then metformin is definitely the drug of choice, as the pressure on the panreas is less with that than the one that I take. By the way has anyone tried Berberine? I've just started taking it--- it's supposed to work the same way as janovia and the like without the horrendous side effects, and of course being a herbal it's taken orally, not by injection
 
I've been taking metformin for eight years now and I think it's a fairly safe drug if you are aware of how it works and aware of potential side effects. Studies have shown that it can, if started early enough, effectively delay the secondary effects of diabetes and if started when insulin resistance first begins delay the onset of diabetes. With four generations of family history of T2 and early deaths from complications of T2, I am more than willing to do whatever I can to defy the odds.

When I started metformin I had reactive hypoglycaemia and insulin resistance but was not yet diabetic. I have since been classed as diabetic based on the results of a glucose tolerance test that was done two years ago. The test results put me just over the line and as long as I'm sensible my readings and HbA1C alaways stay well within the normal range.

What you should know--

Make sure you are prescribed extended release metformin. Don't let your GP bully you into accepting a prescription for generic metformin. There are some, like the one who originally started me on metformin, who will put saving money ahead of patient care especially with a condition they may ignorantly see as always being self inflicted. I took generic metformin for a year before changing GPs, I put up with the side effects but only because it was better than having a hypos everyday. The new GP immediately changed me to extended release and I haven't had any of the common side effects since.

Your body will take time to get used to metformin, be persistent, it's worth it. Start with a partial dose and work up to your full dose. Be aware that you may need to change how you eat and that it's better, no matter what you are told, to spread the dose out through the day. I have half with breakfast and half with my evening meal. The rest of the day I snack rather than having a large lunch. Avoid greasy foods, eat plenty of whole grains and fiber, and stay away from eating too much uncooked fruit and veg and large salads for the first few weeks, unless you are within sprinting distance of a toilet. At first I could only eat fresh fruit and raw veg only as part of a meal now I can eat them anytime.

Metformin can cause vitamin B12 deficiency (aka pernicious anemia). About 30% of people who take metformin will show signs of B12 defiency within four years. Your GP may not know that and it can take time before symptoms are recognised for what they are. Symptoms are vague and easily mistaken for secondary effects of diabetes -- mood swings, depression, tiredness, vision changes, loss of feeling in the extremities, diarrhoea, IBS, itchy skin, loss of the 'moons' in your fingernails, increased difficulty controlling blood sugar levels, and a host of other 'easily mistaken for something else' symptoms.

I made it seven years before my B12 levels dropped and despite presenting evidence from credible sources still had to demand a B12 test. It's important to insist that your B12 levels are tested yearly and that treatment for B12 deficiency is started if they are nearing the bottom of normal. Treatment for B12 deficiency caused by metformin should include a calcium supplement and need not be monthly injections, you can take a B12 supplement daily and achieve a good result. Since taking a combination of calcium and B12 all my symptoms have gone. I'll need to take supplements as long as I keep taking metformin, I can live with that.

I can understand why some people would try to avoid all medications, I used to think the same, but have since found that I can achieve a better quality of life and will probably have a longer life than if I had continued to think like that. Do your homework and make sure that you are making an informed choice whatever you decide.
 
To All,

I no longer take Metformin as i am allergic to one of its componets...

My meds re:- Type 2 are Victoza 1.2ml daily & 4 x Gliclazide 120mg in total..

But as my HB1C was high at 10, i'm about to start on Humalin within the near future..

I was offered Pioglitazone but have refused as this is a known "Weight-Gainer" and last time i was on it my weight went up by 1stone in just a month, which is not good...

One other medicine i take but in a supplement is Chrondrium Picanolate (any health fodd shop) will sell it, this helps to level your blood sugars, it has with mine.. i'm now at 7.2, but still told its high..

regards

Peter - M1dpq
 
My nurse took me off Met SR because I'm in the 5.5-6.5 range but I had to restart it after 4 days because of the severe headaches. I used to get them years before diagnosis and no-one could work out why. Started Met SR and hey presto they went away. Must have the SR though otherwise I couldn't make the loo quick enough!!! :D
 
I have just been told by my GP that I will have to go on to insulin if I can not reduce my Hba1c levels quickly. 2012 was a bad year in many ways for me because of cancer, relationship, and house sales issues. Consequently my diet was the first thing out of the window as was exercise. I went from 7 to 8.2 to 10 over the 12 months. My GP has given me 6 weeks to prove to him I can get back on track and reduce my weight and sugar levels. He has put me on Orlistat (120mg) to help. I have reduced my weight from 99Kg to 90kg in that period and I am waiting for Hba1C results. This might sound like a miracle cure but it is not; the side effects of Orlistat are such that you are forced to eat a sensible low fat and low carb diet. So if your GP offers this solution grab it but make sure that your mind-set is such that you have the determination to change your eating habits (otherwise many trips to the loo and laundry runs are common :oops: ).
 
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