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Low carb diet information.

knopfler

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Hello everybody,This is my first post as i have only just found this brilliant website due to only being diagnosed with type 2 last week.I was suffering with recurring thrush & following blood tests found out i was diabetic which really surprised me.I am 48 & for 30 years have suffered with anxiety & depression which resulted in me using alcohol to self medicate as the drugs given to me never helped or calmed me down.My GP refused to give me stronger medication so to me this was the only alternative as the panic attacks really frighten me.To be given this diagnosis has really taken the stuffing out of me & i have not really been given any advice apart from the fact that i have to take one 500mg metformin for a week then two a day after.I instantly cut sugar from my diet & have gone mad on different cereals to try & cut my blood sugar levels down but have just learned from here that i need a tester even though i don't know what any of the readings mean.I am finding it really hard leaving the shiraz alone as the panic attacks are awful & the wife is really fabulous in helping me through them.I have got to the point where i am frightened to eat anything & am literally starving myself.The cravings for chocolate are unreal & gets me so depressed.I have read that a low carb diet is really beneficial but not sure how to go about this & am unsure about whether i can drink the shiraz anymore.All i have been told by the so called diabetes specialist nurse is to make an appointment late december for a blood test to make sure my liver & kidney functions are ok.I have basically been left in the dark with all of this & don't know which way to turn.I would be so grateful if anybody could help me with any advice as i have got to the desperate stage.I read a success story about Alan aged 46 who went on an Atkins diet & wish i could find something to help as i feel lost & desperate. :(
 
Hi Knopfler and welcome to the forum.

It is normal to feel lost and confused at the start but there is loads of info in this forum and you will soon get the hang of it. Daisy will send you a link explaining the blood glucose readings etc (You will be able to find it on any other post from a newly diagnosed person)

Basically you need to cut your carb intake but not too drastically. Just count the total carbs in everything you eat (not the "of which sugar" amount) I take approx 130g per day but everyone is different.

If you test before you eat and then 2 hours later the readings should be much the same. If it is higher (a spike) then you need to think about cutting out or back on that food.

Burgeb soya and linseed bread seems to be the best for most people (available in Iceland for £1.00). If you like chocolate then stick to dark-70% cocoa or above. Aldi do 5 small bars of 85% cocoa (at 5g carbs per bar) for 99p-Moser Roth is the name.

Don't be frightened to eat and dont stop eating as your blood glucose level will drop too low and you will feel ill (hypo like symptoms)

Feel free to ask as many questions as you want. Everyone on here is friendly and helpful and full of loads of good advice.

Good luck
 
Hi knopfler

I too was diagnosed a couple of weeks ago. Although I don't have an alcohol problem, I do have an eating disorder which stems a great deal from control and comfort issues, and to suddenly change these habits has been terrifying - I also suffer from anxiety, panic and depression, so you have my sympathies there. I also made myself quite poorly last week because everything I was used to eating suddenly seemed like poison and I pretty much ate only a small amount of grilled chicken and a little fish for days - this made me quite poorly. I am also on 1 tablet of metformin with a view to rising to 2 at the end of the week.

I am still learning a lot and probably can't offer much advice but this is what is working for me:

Breakfast - cereals I find dont spike my blood sugar too much at the moment are shredded wheat (large or bitesize), quaker oats Oat Crisp (tho these are pretty tasteless so I'll be investing in some sweetener for these!) and Sainsburys unsweetened wheat puffs. I just have 30-40g of these and they're surprisingly filling.

I'm not cutting out all carbs - I just can't straight away. I need to get used to the alternatives slowly. But I am eating a lot fewer of them. So while everyone in my family had massive bowls of pasta for tea today, I had a very small amount of pasta and lots of grilled chicken. Blood glucose went up to about 8, but I dread to think what it would be if I had my usual portion. And I've switched to Bergen bread which also seems quite good. I'm alternating daily lunches between sandwiches made from this and breadless lunches - more of a challenge, but easier in stages.

The diabetes nurse luckily gave me a blood glucose monitor, strips and lancets, and because I have had thyroid cancer and am on lifelong meds for this, all my presciptions are free - so I am 'lucky' in that respect. So ask your GP or nurse for one. My nurse told me to test twice a WEEK, but I am doing it more like 2-5 times a day. This has massively helped to reduce my anxiety about what I eat/levels etc, because I can SEE what the levels are rather than guessing. Explain it will help with your anxiety over the condition - not everyone takes things in their stride.

I explained to the GP that my eating disorder is going to be really difficult to overcome and that I need to overcome it in order to better control the diabetes - so he is arranging CBT for me. Perhaps there are free services that could help you reduce your alcohol intake? It must be so hard - i have heavy drinkers in the extended family due to social and mental health problems and my heart goes out to them because the thought of quitting makes things worse. The thing to remember is there is a lot of sugar in alcohol so perhaps as part of cutting down on the shiraz you could look at alternatives to help wean you off it? Perhaps a single measure of vodka/bacardi and diet coke/tonic. It's a big step but there is help out there and it CAN be done.

I think the next blood-test step is to get your HbA1C level taken, which is an average of your blood glucose level for the last three months and more useful for monitoring your overall progress, so ask for this to be done asap - I don't see why you need to wait a couple of weeks longer.

Everyone here is so lovely and supportive - I no longer feel like it's my fault for getting the condition 'because I'm fat and lazy', and understand that it can be managed with a bit of determination. And the ironic thing is, it will probably make me a healthier person for it.

So you are not alone, however lost you feel. Take care.
 
tealeaves said:
quaker oats Oat Crisp (tho these are pretty tasteless

I like Quaker oat granola (purple box). It is tasty and crunchy and doesn't cause a spike. And it doesn't need sweetner.
 
chocoholicnomore said:
tealeaves said:
quaker oats Oat Crisp (tho these are pretty tasteless

I like Quaker oat granola (purple box). It is tasty and crunchy and doesn't cause a spike. And it doesn't need sweetner.

I was tempted by those, but the Oat Crisp carbs per serving is 18.0g per 30g serving whereas the granola is 32.4g per 45g serving (yes I'm on the website, I wish my memory was that good) - perhaps I'll get some for when I've been exceptionally good!
 
Tealeaves, I understand what you are saying but the way I look at it is the new eating regime (I don't like calling it a diet) is for life and has to be sustainable. If I eat something I don't enjoy then I won't stick with it that's why I'd rather sacrifice the extra carbs for something I do enjoy and just cut carbs at another meal. It's working for me so far.
 
I see your point - I'm experimenting with carbs all the time now to see what my levels reach (when I gorged on rice, naan and potatoes last night and only got 8.3 I felt like a naughty kid that had got away with something :lol: ) so I know I'll start introducing other things too - I just want to get things more in check first.
 
I cannot thank you enough for your replies-i feel loads better already.I will make an appointment to see if i can get a tester.As far as cereals go,i bought a bag of no added sugar ALPEN today & have just read that a 45g serving contains 29.1g of carbohydrates so will be trying that tomorrow as it sounds delicious.I feel like i know alot more already.I will keep you posted on my progress & once againthank you very much. :D
 
Hi Knopfler and welcome to the forum :) It is very confusing when you are first diagnosed and no-one gives you the information you need. However, you did the right thing coming on to this forum and have already received lots of good advice from members. As you can see, if you need to know something you just ask and there will always be some help available.

Here is the information I give out to new members and it will help you to understand what you need to do to look after yourself now and maintain good BG levels.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates
A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi, I've just joined the website and have recieved good infomation almost at once, and it's reassuring. I've had problems with glucose levels; however, the diet the nurse gave me positivly encouraged, things like pasta, baked potatoes, and wholemeal bread. I have a breadmaker and bake my own so that part is easy, being a food one should reduce will be difficult. We eat the usual traditional English meals, meat potatoes and veg, should I reduce these or what? Its all so confusing to me. Knowing what to eat, how much, and what foods are damaging. Affordablity is another question for different foods. I like vegetables a lot, can cut down on the potatoes but like them baked, not in fat I use an halogen oven which leaves the fat at the bottom. I have neglected myself as I've got a husband who's had five operations in the last four years, and now as 'dropped foot', he's now disabled, which all adds to the pressure on me. No excuse to not test and watch the food I eat, I confess. At the moment leaving sweet things alone, and eating normal meals like meat, veg and potatoes, the glucose levels have reacted with positive results, 2.8 -5.4 fasting, mid-day - 5.7 -8.0 and before evening meal, 6.0 - 8.5, I've still no idea if these readings are good or bad.
 
Welcome
Have you tested bg 1 and 2 hours after eating? That will tell you the impact those carby spuds are having. Personally I think the standard eat carbs with every meal is criminal. That was what made me ill.
I don't want by bg above 6 post meal and that keeps me well.
Let us know what your post meal numbers are.
Cd
 
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