I've read the lancet article and am trying to understand the findings. Are they saying:
1. Low carb diet with plant based protein/fats is better than a medium carb diet
or
2. Low carb diet with plant based protein/fats is worse than medium carb diet but just not as bad as low carb with animal fat/protein ?
(I follow low carb meditteranean rather than LCHF. )
Thank you so much @sally and james very much appreciatedSo you're not long for this world then, @Terrytiddy . My condolences in advance to your family and friends!!!
Sally
I'll sure miss you.
We can have the forum in the sky, just think all that "cloud bread"I'll sure miss you.
Oh wait...according to that study I won't be here either.It's going to be a very small forum tomorrow isn't it?
AgreeJust found this little tidbit re: the difference between The Lancet and The Lancet Public Health
"The Lancet is one of the most respected journals around. So respected and peer reviewer that only 5% of the studies submitted are published. They have a ton of respect. Those that read it take it as true.
This story is from, The Lamcet Public Health, which is owned by the same company as above. May published reports that are seen in The Lancet. But, the big difference is, this one also allows open sourced articles. As long as it is relevant and meets some guidelines The Lancet Public Health will publish what The Lancet will not. The media uses AI and scrapes for stories from here or credible outlets like Lancet and then rehash that as news. The only way this story is credible is if it was on The Lancet. Since it is not it is open source opinion piece.
I have been on Keto for 4 years. In those years I have lost over 165 pounds. I have gone from a person who could not have surgery or take pain pills for his health issues, a person with all the signs of pre diabetes, a person with Fatty Liver Disease that the GI said was gonna kill me to a person who can ride a bike for three hours, and person who is no longer diabetic, no longer dealing with liver issues. I was just tested for pre-op and they said I have a healthy body that is 99.6% likely to survive a surgery. I gotta trust my mirror, my scale, my Doctors that cheer me on, and the labs. Keto is a great life and has given me life.
TLDR; The Lancet is as legit as they come. They only publish 5% of what they get. They formed The Lancet Public Health so people that do reviews that may not be Lancet quality have a home. The hope is the secondary site is seen as credible by using the name. Content is open sourced. This piece originated in The Lancet Public Health."
https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/982lm6/rant_articles_like_this_drive_me_crazy/
However, there are limitations to the study.
The findings show observational associations rather than cause-and-effect and what people ate was based on self-reported data, which might not be accurate.
And the authors acknowledge that since diets were measured only at the start of the trial and six years later, dietary patterns could have changed over the subsequent 19 years.
Agree
https://www.journals.elsevier.com/the-lancet-public-health/
This is Elsevier who do indeed have a poor reputation for their publications.
There is an interesting entry in wikipedia about Elsevier
When Bad Science Can Harm You:
https://cluelessdoctors.com/2018/08/17/when-bad-science-can-harm-you/comment-page-1/#comment-72144
Angela Stanton Rocks!
The sad thing is that she is right, people see 'researchers say' and then see that boffins in this country agree and make no changes be they non Diabetic or not. It goes beyond neglect and enters the realm of falsehood.
Good Man Dr Malhotra! And he got in a plug for dcuk!Aseem to the rescue!
Can we have white bread sandwiches, sausage rolls and beer at your wake so the rest of us live longer?I'll sure miss you.
Oh wait...according to that study I won't be here either.It's going to be a very small forum tomorrow isn't it?
So whatever we eat we will all die eventually huh?
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