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Low carb high fat/snacks?.

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
My GP had recommended the low carb diet and have stuck to her advice now for nearly 10 weeks with good weight loss but she also said dont eat butter as this is high cal by which i think she included cheese cream and fut fat milk ( tho am dropping low fat milk now owing to lactose content only just discovered was a factor)
This has left me eating loads of green veg lean meat and lots of fish but after exercise have been getting v v tired.
Now i dont know if this is either normal fallout from exercise-am in 10the week of regular almost daily walks averaging about 80 mins -is due to medication needing change 4x 500 metaformin reduced to 3 when i explained to another doc i was feeling unwell, or because i am using protein as an energy provider and need some more fat in diet- though there are diets which cause ketonisis ??? arent there which are supposed to be good ?
Am going back to see GP next Weds and am reducing exercise with some fat purchased another problem being what kind of snacks are there for the LCHF diet?
She has been a low carb advocate all along as is her partner.
The ill feeling comes esp after exercise and lasts making me feel completely worn out with low concentration and only able to rest,has given me some restless nights and one where i had severe nightmares .

Advice welcome about LCHF snacks. Protein as energy.Over-medication.( some doctors say that metaformin can cause hypos others say like dietcoctor that this wont happen on the LCHF diet with metaformin) Exercise....
 
Embrace the cheese the butter and the cream! Its where you should now be getting your energy or fuel from. Lactofree milk is good.
 
Hi,

Unless you have other medical conditions that require low fat, you need to increase your fat to help with the tiredness. Your body needs energy, and if you are low carbing it is not getting the energy from carbs, so needs to get it from extra fats and/or protein. It sounds to me like you are trying to live on too few calories. When I reduced my carbs I also ditched all the low fat products and went back to real butter, real yogurts, real mayonnaise. I don't like cream very much, and I don't like creamy tea, so I still have skimmed milk in my tea (a dash). You don't need to go overboard on fats but you do need to increase the good ones and not be worried by them. Maybe your protein is also a bit low? Eggs contain a lot of fat, protein and no carbs, so anything eggy is a good snack. Cheese also. Many people on here snack on nuts, but they don't agree with me at all and can be quite heavy on carbs depending what sort.
 
interesting and thanks- i see your BMI dropped 6 points eating the butter and cheese i love!! Do you have these as sauces or neat on hot veg or do you use some kind of bread for a snack?
 
staying positive said:
interesting and thanks- i see your BMI dropped 6 points eating the butter and cheese i love!! Do you have these as sauces or neat on hot veg or do you use some kind of bread for a snack?
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I also dropped my BMI from 31 to 25 on real butter, mayonnaise, yogurt, and good old fry ups (using rapeseed oil). I have my fats neat. I'm not a sauce person unless it's gravy!
 
Hi and welcome!

Have you had a look at the low carb section of the forum? Lots of excellent threads there, including recipes, snacks and advice.

You haven't said how many carbs you are eating, or if you want to be losing weight? Low carb high fat can work for weight loss or weight maintenance.

Either way, it does sound as if you are experiencing one of two things
- carb flu (where your body adjusts to using fat as fuel, rather than carbs). If you have been eating a lot of protein, you will still be using that as a source of glucose (yes, protein breaks down into glucose, eventually)
- or not eating enough calories - which leaves you feeling very wobbly after exercise.

So I think you are right - the answer may well be to add some extra fat to the diet.

You can do this in many different ways, but I recommend you have a think about it, before you jump straight in.

What kind of fat do you want to be eating? It might as well be good for you. I only buy these fats, because from the reading I've done, they seem the best of the bunch; grass fed butter, coconut oil, hemp oil, olive oil, rapeseed oil. Then of course there is cheese, the fat on meats and fish, in eggs, nuts, cream and milk... There are others, of course. :)

The easy way is to add a little extra mayo to salads, cream to berries, use fattier cuts of meat, bake low carb biscuits and cakes with almond or coconut flour.

I'm not suggesting that you fall head first into a tray of cream cakes, or roll in lard, but if you make gentle, small introductions, several times a day, I think you should start feeling better quite quickly!

It would also mean you could cut out some of that extra protein.

Oh, and one extra thing - there is a big difference between 'nutritional' ketosis, which is a good thing, on a low carb diet, and ketoacidosis, which is a bad thing for anyone, and leads to hospitalisation and very dangerous complications. Are you type 2? If so, ketoacidosis isn't a risk for you (someone tell me if I got that last sentence wrong, please?).
 
Brunneria said:
Hi and welcome!

Have you had a look at the low carb section of the forum? Lots of excellent threads there, including recipes, snacks and advice.

You haven't said how many carbs you are eating, or if you want to be losing weight? Low carb high fat can work for weight loss or weight maintenance.

Either way, it does sound as if you are experiencing one of two things
- carb flu (where your body adjusts to using fat as fuel, rather than carbs). If you have been eating a lot of protein, you will still be using that as a source of glucose (yes, protein breaks down into glucose, eventually)
- or not eating enough calories - which leaves you feeling very wobbly after exercise.

So I think you are right - the answer may well be to add some extra fat to the diet.

You can do this in many different ways, but I recommend you have a think about it, before you jump straight in.

What kind of fat do you want to be eating? It might as well be good for you. I only buy these fats, because from the reading I've done, they seem the best of the bunch; grass fed butter, coconut oil, hemp oil, olive oil, rapeseed oil. Then of course there is cheese, the fat on meats and fish, in eggs, nuts, cream and milk... There are others, of course. :)

The easy way is to add a little extra mayo to salads, cream to berries, use fattier cuts of meat, bake low carb biscuits and cakes with almond or coconut flour.

I'm not suggesting that you fall head first into a tray of cream cakes, or roll in lard, but if you make gentle, small introductions, several times a day, I think you should start feeling better quite quickly!

It would also mean you could cut out some of that extra protein.

Oh, and one extra thing - there is a big difference between 'nutritional' ketosis, which is a good thing, on a low carb diet, and ketoacidosis, which is a bad thing for anyone, and leads to hospitalisation and very dangerous complications. Are you type 2? If so, ketoacidosis isn't a risk for you (someone tell me if I got that last sentence wrong, please?).
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Type 2//yes losing weight average of 3 3/4 lbs a week on low carbs low fat( as doctor suggested re butter etc not for cholesterol as no test taken but she warned about cals) but maybe too fast eating an average 900 cals using maybe 450-600 a day in exercise.Too severe and no fat at all except in eggs which avoided for several weeks.So am making some changes.Nothing drastic.Some olive oil and a piece of cheese or egg( didnt know egg had fat in)
 
My favourites are brie puffs (search there's instructions on the forum how to make them) and Awfully posh pork cracklings, no carbs or any additives, dipping them in melted butter or mayonnaise.
 
Brunneria said:
Oh, and one extra thing - there is a big difference between 'nutritional' ketosis, which is a good thing, on a low carb diet, and ketoacidosis, which is a bad thing for anyone, and leads to hospitalisation and very dangerous complications. Are you type 2? If so, ketoacidosis isn't a risk for you (someone tell me if I got that last sentence wrong, please?).
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very rare for a T2, the new T2 that have come here with DKA turn out to be misdiagnosed T1 late onset or the pancreas is finished
 
900 calories a day is nowhere near enough to sustain you even without all your exercise. The Newcastle Diet is only just less than that but only for I think 8 weeks, and is very carefully monitored by health professionals. It's no wonder you were feeling poorly. I'm on 1200 a day, only 2 brisk walks a day for 20 mins each, and still losing weight and feeling fit and healthy. Good luck with your diet amendments.

A normal size boiled egg has 88 calories, no carbs, 8g protein, 6g fat and no fibre.
 
yes the first thing i read was about the Newcastle study and thought why not give it a go on low carb/low fat BUT i wondered how they exercise on so little cals??? The other thing about the Newcastle Study is that it gives people 6 months to lose 2 1/2 stones or 16 % body weight.Maybe this has been obscured by some of the case studies where folk have gone on extreme diets of shakes etc. In fact the professor makes clear that speed isnt the main thing as its been represented but consistency over a 6th month period.
It seems sensible to break up exercise as you do.For me my GP advised low fat she expressly stated no butter just like that and low carb.So im going to have a chat with her next week.The emergency doctor i saw last week said i may be suffering from hypos-in fact she said that many patients had said they had had effects from Metaformin-but with an emergency doctor you dont have time to tell them the story really. I think i did Newcastle for at least 7 or 8 weeks with exercise deductions.The first weeks didnt have a clue what to eat and was eating ham wrapped tomatoes and mackerel/sardines from the tin and offal...
 
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