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Low carb or sugar free. Which are you.?

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I think part of the confusion (for people in general) is we talk about blood sugar so it's assumed that dietary sugar is the problem. Of course, it's also the fault of the media and people saying things like "If you eat too much sugar you'll get diabetes" etc

You should find a level of carbs that suits you and allows you to keep your blood sugar in range. Test two,hours after the start of your meal if you want to see what carbs do to your blood sugar
 
My mums family had diabetis, my mum was always on a diet but her type two went to type one and she had a lot of health problems, I hope what I am doing is the way to go for me, I will get my numbers checked each year I think to see if they start to rise again.thank you all for trying to explain a very tricky condition. I'm a bit thick. Newbe
 
Hi @_lyn_lyn_1963
I'm not sure I could cut out all sugar. I'm doing a check on what I'm eating for a few days or maybe more. Blueberries have lots of sugar (fructose) and also just checked my salad for lunch even lettuce, cucumber and tomato had small amounts. Once I discovered that it was the carbs that raised blood sugars I then went onto checking the carb values and not just the sugar.
 
Yes I thought sugar caused diabetis as years ago when my mum had it the Drs called it sugar diabetis. It's been a near miss for me hopefully, thanks.
 
When I say I cut out all. I still ate bread and that has some in, also porridge that has some in, but I reduced it down to 99.9%yes fruit does, I never ate a lot I always have ate lots of veg more than fruit.
 
Its not just a sugar problem, the body treats carbs and sugar exactly the same, it doesn't know there is a difference. Carbs become simple sugars in the body. If you just gave up sugar and it worked, well done. You just have to be aware that if you are pre diabetic and carry on eating as before you may become actually diabetic.
 
Yes I thought sugar caused diabetis as years ago when my mum had it the Drs called it sugar diabetis. It's been a near miss for me hopefully, thanks.
Sugar doesn't cause diabetics, insulin, lack of or not processed properly by the pancreas causes diabetes. If it was that easy we could avoid it.
 
A carbohydrate problem
 
Yes. I found the same
 
I'm not prediabetic now so should I eat how I am now or what, I don't want to lose anymore weight but am eating lots, I don't think I have levelled out yet.i will not eat as before so hopefully avoid it.
 
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i agree with your advice, I was wondering as I didn't do anything with my carbs only my sugary foods, that was my first choice or action, did you reduce carbs first? Or both together.

The advice I got originally was killing me!
It wasn't until I got a proper diagnosis that my endocrinologist and myself put our heads together, discussed the options and decided to go very low carb, for example, no sugars and very little carbs but only from protein, eggs, salad vegetables.

You don't need to go to that extreme, simply cutting out sugars and reducing your carbs is your first step and test your blood glucose levels.
 
You asked what the RDA for carbs is.

- there isn't one.

Lots of packaging and manufacturers have started providing guidance amounts, and other vague descriptions, but there is no RDA for sugar and starchy carbs because they don't actually provide any nutrients. Mind you, nowadays it has become quite trendy to say 'xxx teaspoons of sugar in a portion' or similar, but that is to help you avoid the carbs, not eat an RDA of them.

There are also 'typical daily amounts' but again, the manufacturers just put that on to try and sell more.

Starchy and carby foods do often contain some nutrients, but the nutrition isn't in the starch/sugar. Those are just empty calories.
 

@_lyn_lyn_1963

Hello Lyn and welcome to the forum As mentioned above, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. It contains a lot of advice about carbs and contains the link to the Low Carb Program too. Ask more questions you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 210,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi did you go low carb as well or first or later than sugar free and artificial free?was sugar free your first choice or low carb or both together,

Straight to lowcarb me and it works for me.
you?
 
Straight to lowcarb me and it works for me.
you?
I went for sugar free as when they said I had high blood sugar the first thing that popped into my head cut out my sugars.and I think I have been lucky as it worked not sure how though.
 
thanks for that, it explains a lot, but in my case as I didn't do a carb thing I done a sugar thing, so am wondering why I am ok and numbers down and no,longer classed as pre diabetic.i wonder why it worked for me.
 
thanks for that, it explains a lot, but in my case as I didn't do a carb thing I done a sugar thing, so am wondering why I am ok and numbers down and no,longer classed as pre diabetic.i wonder why it worked for me.

That would depend on how much sugar you were eating before - that is, how many carbs you cut out by reducing your sugar intake. Your weight loss probably helped any insulin resistance too.
 
the funny thing is I didn't think I ate much sugar things, but have found out by reading the labels that the food manufacturers stuff it into everything, I only read the sugar bit didn't worry about carbs just avoided sugars. I read on the web that the Americans have the highest rate of obesity and you guessed it they consume the most sugar per head of population uk is 7 on the list, our children are getting more obese, is there a link between sugar consumption and obesity or are we all just eating to much carbohydrates. I eat lots but have still lost weight have never been on a diet in my life only lately this sugar diet, which I did because I was pre diabetic and the letter from the hospital, just said I have a 5 to 10 % chance of being diabetic in the next ten years , they gave me no advice so I tried to work it out myself the only way I thought how, and lucky for me it worked. why are we all getting obese, I don't think people eat too much as I eat plenty, it's just I think eating the wrong things over time that causes obesity, and I feel for me sugar free is the way to go. the western diet is the worst in the world.but we have to live here and bring our children up in a country that allows food manufacturers to put loads of bad stuff like sugar into our foods, I signed Jamie Oliver's campaign for a sugar tax it doesn't go half far enough in my humble opinion, our children deserve better. sorry to rant on.
 

Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease. It is separate from type 2 and not the progression of type 2 diabetes. If someone with type 2 is taking insulin, they are a type 2 on insulin. Changing how the diabetes is treated doesn't change what type of diabetes it is.


If you cut out sugar, as sugar is a carb, you will have reduced your carbs - by altering your sugar intake, you will have altered your carbs.

Well done on the changes you made, pleased that they worked for you.
 
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