Big Pharma has no interest in funding low carb diet studies. Doctors and HCPs other than dieticians learn practically nothing in medical school about diet. So they fall back on the eatwell plate, of which there is a picture on their wall. They have no studies of low carb diets to refer to. But their references DO tell them how much metformin to prescribe for a given BG level.
Funding from diabetes.org.uk I believe not us..
Is it possible to do a manual job on only 800 calories a day?
True, but big pharma tells type 2's that we can carry on eating loads of carbs, take the pills, and surrender to this progressive disease we are helpless to control. Which we know, from the thousands of varying experiences on here, is not true.Big Pharma don't tie people to chairs n feed em biscuits
Of course not that's the food industries job.Big Pharma don't tie people to chairs n feed em biscuits
True, but big pharma tells type 2's that we can carry on eating loads of carbs, take the pills, and surrender to this progressive disease we are helpless to control. Which we know, from the thousands of varying experiences on here, is not true.
If people go to their doctors, and get given a type of advice to follow to take care of their health, and they follow it, it is not their fault if they then get more ill. It is the fault of those in the medical profession giving the wrong advice.Blaming Capitalism for people not looking after their own health is a bit of a stretch
It's not blaming capitalism - just the actions of some companies and the diet advice people get which makes them worse. You can't blame people for following the advice they are given.Blaming Capitalism for people not looking after their own health is a bit of a stretch
After reading posts about low carb diets I am confused why so many people on this forum find it helpful in managing their diabetes but trained healthcare professionals are against it. Could someone please help me understand why the healthcare professionals don't recommend it when I read on here how the people on a low carb diet find it helpful.
A lot of "Trained Healthcare Professionals" were taught once often ages ago and don't keep up with more recent studies. Thus they regurgitate what they were told when they were at Medical School possibly up to 40 years ago. There are some (and thankfully a slowly increasing number) who are quite happy to support a low carb way of eating but at the moment they have to find a way to get this past NICE guidelines (which are again old science). So imagine you are a HCP and are expected to work within NICE guidelines but know they are wrong.. What do you do? Ignore the guidelines and risk the consequences or buckle under and carry on with your job maybe sending patients here to have a read?
The other thing I always say is that we have our diabetes not our HCP's so we need to learn more about it to help ourselves. Thankfully this forum is full of people who are constantly learning and reading new science to help us all.
Generally, I have nothing but good things to say about the NHS here in Scotland. The care I received at every level when I had my transplant was superb. The ideal we all want is, in my view, only hampered by political agendas and by bad management and short term vision. I have no reason to doubt the good intentions of the medical staff BUT, @Mark_1, to say that "the NHS doesn't want to give out advice that will be ignored anyway, so eat a healthy diet is usually all the information given with no real expectations that it will be followed.." just isn't good enough. I wouldn't dream of stating the case for the NHS, but if it is "their" (management? senior staff? who?) policy to deliberately issue incorrect or totally inadequate advice because of "their" view of what "the public" might take on board or not, "they" are not providing the care they are empowered to provide (and by law is their obligation to provide) to those they serve. A "let them eat cake" mentality is both arrogant and judgemental and I for one expect those in power (government) to ensure that those in power (hospital management from budget control to care policy) do their utmost to train staff adequately and to ensure that the "clients" (us) are not dismissed en masse as idiots because of perceived common attitudes. I would add that training IS available (not all training courses are considered part of compulsory updating of skills) and that a number of the staff I have had the benefit of seeing ARE trained and DO know about low carbing AND favour it AND do advise it. What is perhaps a more accurate statement is that the NHS in this one area (though I am sure in others too) needs to ensure that it treats us as individuals based on our individual circumstances. The last thing we need to do is to lie down and accept that it's okay for doctors (or their managers) to assume we are all stupid. I would add that I don't even think that is the reason for the lack of proper advice - poor management and inadequate resources are likely the biggest factor alongside some complacency. I would stress again...I value the NHS greatly but let's not simply excuse some less than perfect areas because "they" know what's best for us..when in some cases "they" clearly don't. I do, however, take @slikwipman 's horribly amusing point and would add...some people really are stupid enough to be watching Deal Or No Deal with no feet and a big tin of biscuits!
Hi. It is pretty basic really...three words - ignorance, arrogance and complacency. The fact that some (very good) medical professionals are completely up to speed with the benefits of a low carb high fat diet in relation to those seeking to get their blood sugar levels under control serves to demonstrate not that others are experts who disagree as a result of superior knowledge but that, sadly, they are doing the minimum and following guidelines that are outmoded or they are not updating their training (where NHS and council budgets can be a factor). I meet regularly with on of a team of four renal specialists since my transplant two years ago (which was NOT due to diabetes) and all of them are pleased with my diet as they can see the results..and they test my blood in all kinds of ways. I see a diabetes consultant too and he is extremely well informed...he tells me that the low carb approach is slowly starting to catch on and he personally thinks it is generally the best way to go for Type 2s at least, particularly if their BS is not ridiculously high, as part of a lifestyle change before trying meds. He is staggered by the sloppy approach of some others, particularly those who tell diabetics to eat plenty of carbs! It is nuts! Many who have been advising a "healthy diet" for so long are reluctant to now have to be seen to be changing their minds...some know very little about diet at all...others simply think they know best regardless. It is not good enough...but meantime, thankfully, we have access to the direct experience of diabetics who do very well indeed on a low carb diet (if they stick to it). One thing to partly explain a slight hesitancy to promote a low carb diet is that if it is adhered to strictly in conjunction with certain meds (such as Gliclazide) it can contribute to blood sugars dropping so low that hypos happen. There needs to be a greater drive from NHS management and in the design of training programmes..and while lack of financial resources is undoubtedly a factor, there is no real excuse for trained staff to issue advice that is completely wrong. I guess, you have to make your own mind up and keep your doctor/nurse informed. I found that keeping records of my meter readings and the food I was eating served me well in convincing any doubters, so I had the minimum of difficulty with medical staff. Also.. self testing meters...they also talk a lot of rubbish about how these are not required (ie. they cost money)...but meters are in my opinion the only way for us to identify the foods which have most impact on us as individuals and to take control and stay in control. Good luck.
ps. I tend to talk until someone hits me!
Everyone is missing the crux of the problem. When will the professionals medicals, start to realize Diabetes is a dietary disease. Currently, the approach is wrong. All that has to be done is focus target on the CAUSE the insulin resistance and not the symptom, the high sugars!! everyone testing, 1,2,3,4,6, goodness knows how many times a day, checking fingers, when they are basing the results on ARBITRARY, cut off levels, which are at whim, random, and not 100% backed supported by medical evidence, even the so called experts committee admit, they are arbitrary chosen cut offs. Its appalling, that a medical can admit Low Carb is slowly starting to be accepted, this is out of order, it should be a case, LOW CARB IS THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION.
Regards meters, if one is not eating, bread, pasta, potatoes or rice, and eating generally low carb on top, there is no need to see what foods are giving impact, if your not putting carbs in your numbers should be good simple as that, and if your doing on top intermittent fasting, better still.
Wake up medical professionals, stop taking time to accept low carbs are essential, and the most important guidance, and start to focus target the REAL PROBLEM insulin resistance, the cause, not the sugars. For goodness sake giving insulin to a person who has an insulin resistance problem is crazy.
Mallorca
It's not blaming capitalism - just the actions of some companies and the diet advice people get which makes them worse. You can't blame people for following the advice they are given.
And if they don't know any better or any different; or have no other reference, then they can magically guide themselves in the right direction I suppose. That's nonsense.Yes you can
And if they don't know any better or any different?
Yes it is without the necessary information. Again nonsense.It is not difficult to look after your own health. Stop making excuses for people that want to push the blame away.
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