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Hedonista

Hedonista

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
I've been experimenting with reducing the amount of meat in my diet - I try to only buy wild-caught meat, or at least carefully sourced, and it costs a lot. Anyway, I've found that despite eating more dairy (which defeats part of the purpose anyway but I was just giving it a go) I have been beset by the gnawing hunger and terrible cravings I had before converting to LCHF. I realised I'd gone from eating my evening meal before 7pm and going to bed three or four hours later still feeling fine, to stuffing my face by the fridge at bedtime, too hungry to sleep otherwise.

So, I'm back on the meat, and poorer, but at peace with my appetite again. But anxious about cancer, as well as welfare issues, environmental impact and all that.

Anyone else experienced anything similar?
 
I love meat, and I get an organic box delivered every 6 weeks. Interestingly, I've found that smaller portions of quality meat (and not just steaks/roasts, but offal too) feel plentiful and very satisfying.
 
Hedonista said:
I've been experimenting with reducing the amount of meat in my diet - I try to only buy wild-caught meat, or at least carefully sourced, and it costs a lot. Anyway, I've found that despite eating more dairy (which defeats part of the purpose anyway but I was just giving it a go) I have been beset by the gnawing hunger and terrible cravings I had before converting to LCHF. I realised I'd gone from eating my evening meal before 7pm and going to bed three or four hours later still feeling fine, to stuffing my face by the fridge at bedtime, too hungry to sleep otherwise.

So, I'm back on the meat, and poorer, but at peace with my appetite again. But anxious about cancer, as well as welfare issues, environmental impact and all that.

Anyone else experienced anything similar?
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How did you decide to calculate the swap from meat to dairy? Is it calorie, portion sized or something else? Couldn't you just eat even more dairy, as an option to consider?

I'm not making any judgement, only trying to understand why it was necessary to revert to meat, when you didn't want to, and why the alternatives were unpalatable.
 
Hedonista said:
I've been experimenting with reducing the amount of meat in my diet - I try to only buy wild-caught meat, or at least carefully sourced, and it costs a lot. Anyway, I've found that despite eating more dairy (which defeats part of the purpose anyway but I was just giving it a go) I have been beset by the gnawing hunger and terrible cravings I had before converting to LCHF. I realised I'd gone from eating my evening meal before 7pm and going to bed three or four hours later still feeling fine, to stuffing my face by the fridge at bedtime, too hungry to sleep otherwise.

So, I'm back on the meat, and poorer, but at peace with my appetite again. But anxious about cancer, as well as welfare issues, environmental impact and all that.

Anyone else experienced anything similar?
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I haven't had any meat in the last two days and actually only one meal today, more or less the same as yesterday: Lots of garlic in lots of olive oil. some cheese, two eggs, a couple of tomatoes, bits of cucumber, onions and lettuce.To go with it some baba ganoush, Fills me up. The amount of olive was generous indeed and it kept me going from yesterday until this evening. I'll eat when I get hungry again, probably tomorrow afternoon.

I bought the cheese and the olive oil, the rest is my own produce.
 
Hello. I have found that since returning to lchf I am eating chicken and no other meat. :) I'm enjoying this but just hope I don't get bored with it.
 
AndBreathe said:
How did you decide to calculate the swap from meat to dairy? Is it calorie, portion sized or something else? Couldn't you just eat even more dairy, as an option to consider?

I'm not making any judgement, only trying to understand why it was necessary to revert to meat, when you didn't want to, and why the alternatives were unpalatable.
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Well, I didn't calculate anything to be honest! I just eat to my meter and my scales and as long as my bg stays in the range I want, and weight continues to drop, I'm happy. If I'm hungry, I add fat and so far so good. When I dropped meat I ate more tofu, cheese and fish based meals, and added more fat if I felt hungry as usual. But what happened was I felt very hungry, found it hard to satiate my hunger (is satiate a word?) and started to relapse to a bingy style of eating.

Since my wish to eat less meat is primarily an ethical one, eating more dairy doesn't really do the trick, plus too much dairy adversely affects my asthma and eczema, so I'm better with less.
 
Nothing wrong with meat in "moderation" Having ethical doubts won't change the amount of animals slaughtered in the world. Being diabetic means that there is enough restrictions in the diet without adding more?
 
I'm a type 1 diabetic and vegan. I think that when enough people realise that it is unethical to kill our fellow animals, it will certainly change the number of animals slaughtered.

But it's each person's choice and moving on to the question of hunger, about 75% of my diet is raw, some of it in the form of smoothies. For instance I have a smoothie for breakfast which has organic seeds, coconut cream, bean sprouts, berries, kale, salad leaves, some banana and apple and water - all in quite small quantities. That keeps me feeling good until lunchtime. Potato, garlic, tofu and salad for lunch. Raw carrot, tomato, garlic, raw soup for dinner. Sourdough bread with peanut butter (dessert!) in between I might have a rice cake or a small piece of fruit. There are lots of other things I make - there are so many delicious plants and they feel so clean to eat. Check out recipes on mouthwateringvegan.com and deliciously ella recipes for some really scrumptious food.
 
I've only been diagnosed (prediabetic), and low carbing, since January, so I'm yet to experiment with some of your ingredients - haven't touched any fruit except berries, any grains or bread yet, nor carrots or potatoes. I have my second ac1 test this month and if I've stayed low I thought I'd try brown rice and lentils then, I miss them both. I did eat raw years ago for a few months but def need heat in my belly sometimes!!
 
I haven't eaten much meat, but beans instead, but they include some carbs. Tempeh is good. I love it and it is so cheap. When I crumble it I have kind of a minced meat replacement. Nuts and seeds fill me up as well, and there are some veggies with, well, some proteins such as spinach and broccoli.
 
I really don't like tempeh and sadly, in my old age, I seem to be developing an allergy to some nuts - I'm gradually experimenting and working my way through them - have excluded some but have others to try!
 
Dont forget that red meat is the best source of iron. Liver is at the top of the list.

Always good to get your haemoglobin levels checked out, especially as you get older, when absorption becames poorer.
 
jgordon5 said:
I'm a type 1 diabetic and vegan. I think that when enough people realise that it is unethical to kill our fellow animals, it will certainly change the number of animals slaughtered.

But it's each person's choice and moving on to the question of hunger, about 75% of my diet is raw, some of it in the form of smoothies. For instance I have a smoothie for breakfast which has organic seeds, coconut cream, bean sprouts, berries, kale, salad leaves, some banana and apple and water - all in quite small quantities. That keeps me feeling good until lunchtime. Potato, garlic, tofu and salad for lunch. Raw carrot, tomato, garlic, raw soup for dinner. Sourdough bread with peanut butter (dessert!) in between I might have a rice cake or a small piece of fruit. There are lots of other things I make - there are so many delicious plants and they feel so clean to eat. Check out recipes on mouthwateringvegan.com and deliciously ella recipes for some really scrumptious food.
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If nobody ate animals then there would be only a tiny amount of them left in the world because most animals are bred for eating. Better for them to have a short life - and help humans - than no life at all???
 
bobrobert said:
If nobody ate animals then there would be only a tiny amount of them left in the world because most animals are bred for eating. Better for them to have a short life - and help humans - than no life at all???
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My feelings, too. What a sad place our green and pleasant land would be if we didn't see sheep, lambs, cows and calves in the fields. And we wouldn't if the country went vegetarian.
 
I do love meat but too much is probably not good and we try not to eat it during the week. Also an excess of protein may be grabbed by that marvelous internal chemical factory and converted into nasty sugars.

However, my initial thought was, "are you hungry or just thirsty"?

Water - mostly we find it difficult to differentiate between feeling hungry and feeling thirsty. This may be more so for diabetics if blood sugars don't stay steady. If they go high you can feel hungry - but a glass of water may easily do the trick - I take 3 glasses of water together with a teaspoon of pysllium husk powder and a tablespoon of Chia seeds directly after doing my fasting readings. Seems to work for me. I tend to drink 8-10 glasses of water throughout the day in addition to hot drinks, red wine, fine scotch and what I get in food. A glass of water with a meal also turns your meal into soup - one thing that keeps you feeling full for longer.

You could have a go at some of the things that seem to keep you full for longer. My number one is a good thick vegetable soup - blitz half of it and leave half chunky. Other things such as Eggs, Avocado, Greek yogurt and almonds may help - almond milk might be good. Pulses and beans - great but lots of carbs so I stay away from them.
 
Have you tried increasing your low carb veg intake to help fill you up?

Cauliflower, green beans, broccoli, cabbage, spinach, mushroom, salad leaves, celery, celeriac etc can all be eaten in numerous ways so you won't get bored.

A low carb home made soup would be a good way to help fill you up too.
 
Scimama said:
Have you tried increasing your low carb veg intake to help fill you up?

Cauliflower, green beans, broccoli, cabbage, spinach, mushroom, salad leaves, celery, celeriac etc can all be eaten in numerous ways so you won't get bored.

A low carb home made soup would be a good way to help fill you up too.
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When you eat these veggies, do you restrict the amount or could you also eat lots, say half a broccoli head if you were hungry enough?
 
Munkki said:
I haven't eaten much meat, but beans instead, but they include some carbs. Tempeh is good. I love it and it is so cheap. When I crumble it I have kind of a minced meat replacement. Nuts and seeds fill me up as well, and there are some veggies with, well, some proteins such as spinach and broccoli.
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Just after writing it I had my lunch with some white beans and - pang - my blood sugar went high :blackeye:. Now I am having eggs as my protein for dinner instead :shifty:
 
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