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Milk with Coffee yes or no???
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Sid Bonkers
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I doubt that any increase caused by a splash of milk would be measured.
But.......I used to drink coffee with milk but stopped one night (night shift) at work when we ran out and by the morning I was used to it without milk, that was about 30 years ago now and I cant drink coffee with even a splash of milk in it now as to me it now tastes awful.
You can get used to anything if you try
But.......I used to drink coffee with milk but stopped one night (night shift) at work when we ran out and by the morning I was used to it without milk, that was about 30 years ago now and I cant drink coffee with even a splash of milk in it now as to me it now tastes awful.
You can get used to anything if you try
Hi Insanity!
I'm LADA and milk in tea/coffee significantly raises my BGs (up to 2 m/mol). One cup of tea with milk occasionally, I'll probably ignore, but as for drinking several a day, that would cause me to have significantly higher BGs all day and would impact my HbA1c ultimately. As an example, I was in a meeting today and had a cup of tea with milk at 10.30am. Before lunch, my BG was 7.5 - it is usually no higher than 5.5.
Sid is talking as a Type 2 who is still able to produce insulin to cover the small amounts of milk. As a Type 1/1.5, you will need to test to see what impact it has on you. You might be lucky and find small amounts are covered adequately by your basal, but this is not the case for me. When I'm at home, I use Lactofree milk which has about half the carbs of milk and has far less impact on my BG.
Smidge
Hi again! - just noticed you're on a pump - maybe that will give you more flexibility around covering milk in tea/coffee? Sorry, i have no experience of pumps, so I don't know if it gives you more flexibility in that way
Smidge
I'm LADA and milk in tea/coffee significantly raises my BGs (up to 2 m/mol). One cup of tea with milk occasionally, I'll probably ignore, but as for drinking several a day, that would cause me to have significantly higher BGs all day and would impact my HbA1c ultimately. As an example, I was in a meeting today and had a cup of tea with milk at 10.30am. Before lunch, my BG was 7.5 - it is usually no higher than 5.5.
Sid is talking as a Type 2 who is still able to produce insulin to cover the small amounts of milk. As a Type 1/1.5, you will need to test to see what impact it has on you. You might be lucky and find small amounts are covered adequately by your basal, but this is not the case for me. When I'm at home, I use Lactofree milk which has about half the carbs of milk and has far less impact on my BG.
Smidge
Hi again! - just noticed you're on a pump - maybe that will give you more flexibility around covering milk in tea/coffee? Sorry, i have no experience of pumps, so I don't know if it gives you more flexibility in that way
Smidge
GraceK
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I'm a T2 and before diagnosis I used to drink tea and coffee with milk, but stopped drinking coffee years ago because I didn't like the taste of it any more. Once diagnosed and starting on Metformin, I found I stopped drinking tea because I didn't like the taste of that any more either and would often make myself a cup but after taking two or three sips the rest would be left.
But the real culprit was milk - not the tea or the coffee and I think my body was just telling me to stop drinking it. I now drink black tea or coffee with cream and thoroughly enjoy it. Before discovering LCHF eating I was afraid of cream because of it's fat content. Now I positively welcome it in my diet as I've cut out most of my carbs.
But the real culprit was milk - not the tea or the coffee and I think my body was just telling me to stop drinking it. I now drink black tea or coffee with cream and thoroughly enjoy it. Before discovering LCHF eating I was afraid of cream because of it's fat content. Now I positively welcome it in my diet as I've cut out most of my carbs.
Well...
20ml milk contains 1.5g carbs, which amounts to about 8 mmol of glucose assuming it's all converted (molecular weight 180g/mol). Further assuming a nominal 5l of blood, that amounts to a BG increase of 1.5 mmol/l
But then again, lactose has low GI and the above is based on a lie-to-children anyway so... who knows? Just have a cuppa and test; it really is the only way to be sure.
Cobra3164
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Hi all, Hi insanity, being no expert on diabetes I do know a fair bit about nutrients in food/drink. With milk one thing to bear in mind that milk contains lactose which is a sugar the body converts to glucose in a relatively short time. One thing to observe would be your BG before and after consuming giving enough time to absorb and make that comparison. As posted by smidge this can affect your BG level but I do believe on an individual basis some observe little change and others like smidge notice a considerable rise. I test foods now to check how my BG is affected. You must also consider that not all peoples bodys tolerate lactose and a lot of the time it goes unnoticed, these are just a couple of factors that you should consider.
All my best
Simon aka Cobra3164
All my best
Simon aka Cobra3164
I think I'll have to go back to the black coffee then Sid. I used to have it but then did the opposite to you and got used to a splash of milk!
I don't think the pump changes much in regards to the milk but it's interesting as I have to faff around with my readybrek in the morning as I find carb counting on a 1:1 ratio is too little insulin for it - must be the milk!
Well this morning my bs was 6.5mmol - I had my 30g of readybrek with 100ml milk working out my carbs I was meant to give 2 units insulin but I know from previous experience thats not enough so I gave 2.5 units (which usually works) got to work at 9.30am and had my coffee then did my bs at 10:15am and it was 11.5! Grrrr It's only been the last day or two. The only other thing I can think of, is being female maybe it's hormones..?
Thanks Simon, I didn't know it was converted to glucose, I thought it was just mainly protein (learn something new every day). It's mad how foods work!
smidge said:
I don't think the pump changes much in regards to the milk but it's interesting as I have to faff around with my readybrek in the morning as I find carb counting on a 1:1 ratio is too little insulin for it - must be the milk!
AMBrennan said:
Well this morning my bs was 6.5mmol - I had my 30g of readybrek with 100ml milk working out my carbs I was meant to give 2 units insulin but I know from previous experience thats not enough so I gave 2.5 units (which usually works) got to work at 9.30am and had my coffee then did my bs at 10:15am and it was 11.5! Grrrr It's only been the last day or two. The only other thing I can think of, is being female maybe it's hormones..?
Cobra3164 said:
Thanks Simon, I didn't know it was converted to glucose, I thought it was just mainly protein (learn something new every day). It's mad how foods work!
GraceK
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I think I'm right in saying that single or double cream doesn't have the same sugar content as milk, and you only need a small amount of cream in your coffee to make it light and tasty. Anyone else back me up on that one or correct me if I'm wrong please? 
Cobra3164
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Back again heloooo, I would advise against coffee whitener as most contain glucose and will affect your BG as glucose will get in the bloodstream very fast.
I am a coffee lover too cant live without it I do use milk but skimmed as this contains less fat and lactose.
Hope it helps
Simon aka Cobra3164
I am a coffee lover too cant live without it I do use milk but skimmed as this contains less fat and lactose.
Hope it helps
Simon aka Cobra3164
GraceK said:I think I'm right in saying that single or double cream doesn't have the same sugar content as milk, and you only need a small amount of cream in your coffee to make it light and tasty. Anyone else back me up on that one or correct me if I'm wrong please?
Carb content for 8oz
Whole milk - 11.4 grams of carbohydrate
2 % milk - 11.7
1 % milk - 11.6
Fat-free (skim) milk - 11.9
Buttermilk - 11.7
Goat's milk - 10.9
Half and Half - 10.4
Light Cream - 7.1
Heavy Cream - 6.6
Evaporated milk (canned) - 25.3
Nonfat evaporated - 29.0
Sweetened condensed milk - 166 (not a typo)
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Cheap Whisky !
Just back from Sainsbury and checked out:-
Semi skimmed milk per 100ml 5g carbs of which 5g sugar
Double cream per 100ml 2.6g carbs of which 2.6g sugar
So I pour into coffee double cream until it just shows on the surface. BINGO
I haven't measured the amount, but I reckon it can't be more than 25ml so = 0.65g sugar.
I've got used to coffee without a teaspoon of the white poison, something I used to think was impossible.
Semi skimmed milk per 100ml 5g carbs of which 5g sugar
Double cream per 100ml 2.6g carbs of which 2.6g sugar
So I pour into coffee double cream until it just shows on the surface. BINGO
I haven't measured the amount, but I reckon it can't be more than 25ml so = 0.65g sugar.
I've got used to coffee without a teaspoon of the white poison, something I used to think was impossible.
GraceK
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Defren said:GraceK said:I think I'm right in saying that single or double cream doesn't have the same sugar content as milk, and you only need a small amount of cream in your coffee to make it light and tasty. Anyone else back me up on that one or correct me if I'm wrong please?
Carb content for 8oz
Whole milk - 11.4 grams of carbohydrate
2 % milk - 11.7
1 % milk - 11.6
Fat-free (skim) milk - 11.9
Buttermilk - 11.7
Goat's milk - 10.9
Half and Half - 10.4
Light Cream - 7.1
Heavy Cream - 6.6
Evaporated milk (canned) - 25.3
Nonfat evaporated - 29.0
Sweetened condensed milk - 166 (not a typo)
Whooo hooooooo thanks for that Defren ... you're a whizzkid with the carbs content! I'll stick with the cream then, maybe even go for double from now on.
Oddly enough I was checking all the different milks on the shelves the other day, including condensed and I was amazed at the carb content.GraceK
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Superchip said:
When I first started taking cream in my coffee instead of milk, I was being a bit heavy handed with it at first because a) it's slower to pour and b) I was treating like milk with regards to quantity. Now I've realised I really don't need more than a splash of cream in my coffee to make it nice and white and creamy, so it's good all round - far fewer carbs and not much more expensive than buying milk if at all. I used to buy the very small bottles of milk and still ended up throwing half of that away because I wasn't using it up. And the cream is more versatile, I use it in soups, mash it with cauliflower, whizz it with strawberries and chia in my blender.
GraceK
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Superchip said:
Any minute now Chips ... I'm just waiting for my microwave to ping ... I love bacon ribs and used to make lentil soup with the usual ingredients of veggies and spuds. But as I'm off spuds and not sure about lentils carb content, I've concocted a new soup of bacon ribs, half a tin of tomatoes, 1 large courgette, small can of butterbeans, red wine vinegar, onion salt, pepper, chives and garlic. I'll thicken it with chia seeds, take out the ribs and strip some of them off the bone and put that and the soup in the blender to make a thick broth. I'll probably add some cream to the finished product just before serving. The rest of the ribs will be scoffed while I'm watching Deal or No Deal on TV. It smells gorgeous but not sure what it tastes like yet.
If you want some you'd better be quick! :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's what I meant by "lies-to-children" - the idea that carbs in your food make your BG go up is an oversimplification which works reasonably well most of the time. In reality, it's a bit more complicated than that - you release both glucose (from the liver) and insulin in response to eating food.
cf cephalic phase response
