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More statin hilarity before shock and horror

becca59 said:
I now never take any medication without extensive research, which we can do easily nowadays. Many years ago whilst hospitalised and vulnerable I was bullied into taking an anti sickness drug for severe hyperemesis whilst pregnant. As I was in danger of losing my baby. Nobody believed me when I said my jaw muscles kept clenching. An hour later there was an emergency team with a crash trolley there. Yet that drug is routinely given to people after a general anaesthetic. You would have to tie me down to get a statin into me.
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Remember Thalidamide in the late 50s - er I don't mean that you must have been alive then!
 
I was thinking just the other day, I wonder how long it will take until we're advised to statinate pets? Just as long as the vets know about the rabbits.
 
bulkbiker said:
I'd go with the anonymous know all...

I wonder if your GP has gone into this kind of depth...?

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Taking a statin is nothing compared to actual health issues, I am not going to go out of my way to try and create problems
 
slikwipman said:
Taking a statin is nothing compared to actual health issues, I am not going to go out of my way to try and create problems
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But for a lot of people statins do create a problem. Statins interfere withe the production of coQ10 and that is why the pharmas add in coQ10 - so when they say there are no side effects...
 
My issue with statins is that I believe they are treating a “symptom” that has never been proven to actually be a problem at all. We are made from cholesterol. It’s so crictical to life, that if we don’t eat it, our body simply makes more of it. Biological organisms do not manufacture compounds that will kill them. The entire concept has been a nonsense from the beginning. The cholesterol heart hypothesis was never proven at its inception, and has since been roundly disproven. Yet here we are in 2019, planning to send humans to another world, and we are still clinging to the beliefs of a narcissist and a bunch of statisticians from the 1950’s.

The above is my opinion only, and if people choose to take statins then that is their business and they are free to disagree with my views. There are also some notable exceptions such as chronically elevated levels brought about by inflammation from grains and seed oils, and also perhaps familial hypercholesterolemia. The former being a diertary problem with a dietary solution.
 
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Guzzler said:
But for a lot of people statins do create a problem. Statins interfere withe the production of coQ10 and that is why the pharmas add in coQ10 - so when they say there are no side effects...
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I know as neither of my parents can take them and I have little regard for medicine as it has failed to diagnose my health issues for more than a decade leaving me in a situation where death by statin would be welcome relief
 
slikwipman said:
Taking a statin is nothing compared to actual health issues, I am not going to go out of my way to try and create problems
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I don't think anyone wants you to. You are free to do as you wish.
Jim Lahey said:
My issue with statins is that I believe they are treating a “symptom” that was never been proven to actually be a problem at all. We are made from cholesterol. It’s so crictical to life, that if we don’t eat it, our body simply makes more of it. Biological organisms do not manufacture compounds that will kill them. The entire concept has been a nonsense from the beginning. The cholesterol heart hypothesis was never proven at its inception, and has since been roundly disproven. Yet here we are in 2019, planning to send humans to another world, and we are still clinging to the beliefs of a narcissist and a bunch of statisticians from the 1950’s..
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Yes, it's unproven. They have had how many decades now to prove it and have failed to do so?

Just my opinion, but if the theory was right, they'd of proven it by now. I just don't have faith in a system where HCP's are handing out statins like candy on Halloween with a financial reward for doing so. Familiar hyperlipidemia is a different matter and I don't know much about that, but for everyone else just barely pushing above a so called reference range high LDL level or TC level and being told they need statins based on a theory that cannot stand up after decades and desades is imo weak and not solid practice.
 
Tophat1900 said:
I don't think anyone wants you to. You are free to do as you wish.


Yes, it's unproven. They have had how many decades now to prove it and have failed to do so?

Just my opinion, but if the theory was right, they'd of proven it by now. I just don't have faith in a system where HCP's are handing out statins like candy on Halloween with a financial reward for doing so. Familiar hyperlipidemia is a different matter and I don't know much about that, but for everyone else just barely pushing above a so called reference range high LDL level or TC level and being told they need statins based on a theory that cannot stand up after decades and desades is imo weak and not solid practice.
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I agree. The NNT is laughable. (Numbers Needed to Treat).
 
bulkbiker said:
http://healthinsightuk.org/2015/02/19/keep-statin-supremo-away-from-the-missing-side-effect-data/

Yes the stain researchers have never looked at side effects...


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That's even after they filter out people who have side -effects in their trial "run in periods" which exclude those who get early side effects..

Edit to add just noticed that this is a fairly old article but I'd never come across it before...
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Shouldn’t really expect them to look at side effects should we ? (Says he with tongue firmly planted in cheek)

My doctor never mentions side effects other than “it might make you a bit drowsy” and on every medication I take it appears they just give you the same list anyway. I might even become constipated and have diarrhoea at the same time!
 
Grant_Vicat said:
Remember Thalidamide in the late 50s - er I don't mean that you must have been alive then!
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Yes I was nearly a Thalidomide child myself. Mother actually took 2 tablets herself, before two elderly ladies advised her not to. Like me mother had hyperemesis and had luckily thrown them up. I was on my 4th dire sickness filled pregnancy and told I would lose it if I didn’t stop throwing up. A difficult decision. Ultimately I did lose it and the 5th one. When people make fun of pregnancy sickness they have no idea. Luckily I managed to be successful first time around though spent most of it in bed with a bucket and lost a couple of stone in weight. Have a strapping 35 year old to show for it.
 
slikwipman said:
Who to believe, my GP or some anonymous know all?
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Depends on what your GP and the anonymous no all are saying.

The drug is designed to lower cholesterol and it does that. However, doctors should not be using bullying tactics to force people to take them. My muscle pain, brain fog and poor sleep were in no way imaginary which is what Professor Rory Collins would like everyone to believe.

He obviously hasn't read the Merck Pharmaceutical 1990 patent application which wanted to add CoQ10 to overcome the "impending muscle pain". Nothing anonymous about the patent application, unlike the clinical trials data that Professor Rory Collins has under lock and key.

Out of interest, what does your GP say? My friend has just been prescribed Atorvastatin and told by his GP that there were no side effects, now he's struggling to walk because of the pain. Strange he was OK before hand.
 
becca59 said:
Yes I was nearly a Thalidomide child myself. Mother actually took 2 tablets herself, before two elderly ladies advised her not to. Like me mother had hyperemesis and had luckily thrown them up. I was on my 4th dire sickness filled pregnancy and told I would lose it if I didn’t stop throwing up. A difficult decision. Ultimately I did lose it and the 5th one. When people make fun of pregnancy sickness they have no idea. Luckily I managed to be successful first time around though spent most of it in bed with a bucket and lost a couple of stone in weight. Have a strapping 35 year old to show for it.
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Here is something from another thread in which I replied:
Interesting you should say that @Guzzler When my mother was not many hours away from delivering me in 1958, a nurse came in and offered her Thalidomide. She said "No thank you very much!"
"You've been reading the Telegraph."
"No, the Times actually."
Nothing's new!
Thank God your mother reacted as she did. One of my greatest friends at my first school had nails and joints missing from one of his hands, precisely because of Thalidomide. Glad to hear you succeeded - our only child is 34 and would hit me were I to say she is strapping!
 
Charis1213 said:
I will never take them after seeing my dad deteriorate broke my heart and i can't forgive the doctors who talked him into them , they said he had Parkinson's and dementia but he passed all the dementia memory tests and also never had any shaking , i swear to god that it was the statins . He suffered so badly i am broken each time i mention it and i see him as a skeleton in his last days . Statins are evil .
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Sending you a big hug x
 
DavidGrahamJones said:
Depends on what your GP and the anonymous no all are saying.

The drug is designed to lower cholesterol and it does that. However, doctors should not be using bullying tactics to force people to take them. My muscle pain, brain fog and poor sleep were in no way imaginary which is what Professor Rory Collins would like everyone to believe.

He obviously hasn't read the Merck Pharmaceutical 1990 patent application which wanted to add CoQ10 to overcome the "impending muscle pain". Nothing anonymous about the patent application, unlike the clinical trials data that Professor Rory Collins has under lock and key.

Out of interest, what does your GP say? My friend has just been prescribed Atorvastatin and told by his GP that there were no side effects, now he's struggling to walk because of the pain. Strange he was OK before hand.
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I was put on Pravastatin 20 years ago and experienced muscle pain. The doctor thought I was jumping on the bandwagon and therefore I refused to take them. In 2009 I was put on Simvastatin and had a triple body rash which put me in hospital for 4 days until a dermatologist was persuaded to come in on Easter Monday 2011 and he asked me what I was doing when the rash appeared. I had taken advantage of the sun by going to weed the garden in Summer clothing. I thought that I must have touched some kind of irritant and didn't worry until the next day, when it had progressed from the hands and arms to all over the body. There were three different types of rash. There were 2 consequences. He told me never to take Statins again and because of the state of my face I had to grow a beard! The dermatologist said that it was going out in the sun which had triggered the reaction with statins.
My father started bleeding from the stomach as a coach trip stopped at Versailles. When the doctor asked my brother what medication my father was taking, he replied "Aspirin and statins".
"Ugh, le gateau Anglais!"
Says it all
 
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