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Morning blood glucose levels

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MeurigMc

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Hi to all, newbie to site only joined this morning. Diagnosed in May, t2 went to G.P. with sudden swelling to right big toe, told it was gout (no redness though) had blood tests for uric acid levels, called back in to be told my H1b1 (?) levels were 84. G.p told me no problems with uric acid so maybe trauma for the toe? put on metformin,500mg twice a day but told G.p that I needed 8 weeks to sort myself and refused the meds. She said ok and arranged for follow up bloods in eight weeks.

I was given a meter (contour xt) by Gp, who was very supportive.
I started very low carb high protien and fat diet with high intesive activity (not using artificial protien)
Was initially 106kg (16stone ish) and moderatly fit,
now 87kg (13.7 stone ish) and very fit and at 6 foot 1 my Bmi etc now very good

Had second set of blood tests and h1b1 now at 47

My question / problem is every morning, after getting up, and before any food drink intake my bloods are 8 to 9.5 mmols,
only once have they been 7.4 mmols; have read about the morning phenomenon any one have any experience of this or have any ideas as to how to reduce this reading in the morning?

I have tried snacks at bed time and only have a tot of neat whisky prior to sleeping

Thanks for time
 
Hi,

It could well be dawn phenomenon, but it could also be a reaction to too much protein the previous day. Spare/unused protein can convert to glucose, but it takes much longer than it does with carbs. You only need to read some of the threads on here from people who inject insulin - many have to take protein into account when calculating the amount of insulin they need. Just a thought.
 
I'd take the Metformin, its effect is reduce the amount of glucose that your liver produces from glycogen stores - that's essentially what your fasting BG level is. Some people have digestive problems with it, and most of those go away with the Slow release version and for me anyway, they went away over time. It works in conjunction with a LCHF diet having a different effect so it's complimentary.

One of the big effects of insulin is to stop your liver doing this glucose production when you have some dietary carbs in you to produce it instead. You might also find that as your liver and pancreas recover from you being overweight, your liver's insulin resistance goes down, or your insulin production goes up and it comes down. Looking at your weight/height, (very similar to mine actually) I think your BMI could come down a bit more, you might be unlucky enough that your fat loss has been more subcutaneous than visceral and it's losing that visceral fat that will improve these things.

Personally, my morning levels suddenly shifted from 6ish to 4.5ish as I got below 92kg and have stayed there since.
 
Thanks for the quick reply great food for thought (sorry)
Will keep up with the fat burning and see
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Hi,

It could well be dawn phenomenon, but it could also be a reaction to too much protein the previous day. Spare/unused protein can convert to glucose, but it takes much longer than it does with carbs. You only need to read some of the threads on here from people who inject insulin - many have to take protein into account when calculating the amount of insulin they need. Just a thought.
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Wow cheers had not seen that issue with the protien, and I am eating quite high amounts worried that starting on the meds is a slippery slope can't go on insulin (will affect my work and motorsport)
 
The general consensus of opinion when following a low carb/high fat diet is to keep protein levels to moderate. Do have a good read round about this, and maybe consider reducing the protein and increasing the fat, but keep to low carb.
 
Thanks enjoying the low carb so hope its a forever thing. Will try to add up protein I'm eating and control that too cheers
 
Protein profoundly effects my bs. It is said MOST adults only need 4-6 oz a day or 1g per kg of LEAN body mass. I definatley need insulin for protein. Lchf is not high protein. I eat 20g carbs, 45g protein and the rest of my calories come from fat such as avocado ( some at every meal) olive oil, nuts, olives and mayo. I keep saturated fat low as it raises me and keeps me higher for a lot longer. Insulin doesn't work as well either. Dairy raises me and makes me insulin resistant so no dairy for me. Testing these things will tell you how you respond. My guess is too much protein.

Snack before bed? What are you having?
 
Thanks ive been trying some chedder cheese, oat cake (only2) or greek yoghurt (full fat) not all together! At bed time as suggested by some have with cyder viniger and water. I have problems with milk so it could be a dairy problem or equally protien it seems
 
Do you test before bed? This would confirm by how much you are rising during the night.
Also, when you do your morning test, do you do it immediately you get out of bed (after hand washing of course)? Any movement after getting up, such as pottering about, showers, making breakfast etc might be causing a liver dump.
 
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