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My doctor was angry with me...


Fair enough, but remember the above is starting point. I can eat 250/300/350 carbs (basically glucose from tubers and fructose from fruit) without having BG spikes, if I eat in the right way. The higher amount if I Exercise. If I eat the wrong way, I can't handle 150.

kokhongw said:
And the Randle Cycle don't appear to be all about glucose metabolism...so it is always cycling between glucose or fatty acids...is it not?
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Agreed, it's a sliding scale throughout the day. Particularly at night or rest, it moves towards Fatty Acids. Any moderate activity should slide it more towards glucose. But if you eat 150 grams of fat, it will stay on the Free Fatty Acid metabolism for more of day.
 
torchman2 said:
Nice, so you mean you can now eat any carbs, or only resistant starch?
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I can now eat any carbs as long as they are not greater than about 60 grams.
I do tend to stay away from refined carbs although I do stray sometimes but as long as I dont take an excessive amount it wont raise my BG too much.
Made a mistake a few months ago eating Irwins Irish Batch bread and my BG went up to 10.5 after 2 hours, I later calculated the starch I had eaten it was around 78 grams.
I've had takeaway chinese, indian meals and they have not taken me any higher than 7's.
Funny you mentioned about the unripe banana spiking you I have one every morning semi green and I'm fine with that.
The more unripe the banana the higher the RS.

Tom
 

Thanks for your detailed answer.


So you were low carb but not diabetic and then Hypothyroid. Which causes weight gain, hair loss, poor sleep and circulation issues. But you decided it was low carb not hypothyroidism causing this? And it also caused the leanness, not your rigorous eating regime and serious exercise?

A month ago your blood sugars showed high levels. Were you medically diagnosed or was it on the basis of your fingerprick tests? You were ill at the time. This is a normal reaction to illness I understand. Whilst eating high carb meals ? You simultaneously ate smaller (lower carb?) meals, changed your thyroid meds, overcame your illness and took supplements. A positive result was bgl became normal. How can you attribute which action had which part in the results? You seem to have found which carbs spike your bgl and which you believe don’t. I am assuming your testing was a various intervals after eating to cover delayed spikes?

Your snack of sugary jam with fatty yogurt gave a resonable result 30mins later. What about 90mins or 2 hrs or even 3hrs? Fat with carbs slows their absorption. Did you miss the spike or not have one?

I have a number of issues with your experience that leave huge gaps in your assertions as above. That said I will still be reading the links you gave as every weapon in an arsenal to help above and beyond low carb is worth considering. But I won’t be giving it up just yet.
 
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I agree with a number of these points but my experience of one was I didn’t eat to excess, I naturally shunned most carbs, was very sugar aware and was obediently avoiding fats. I ate little and often and still was overweight probably due to insulin resistance that I have traced back at least a decade before diagnosis.
 
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torchman2 said:
Check Thyroid levels. Check Vit D levels. Check lactate.
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I thought we were talking real world! Lactate has never been on my extensive blood checks and getting drs to look at thyroid beyond standard “it’s in range so must be fine” is a joke.
 
@torchman2
So (in a nutshell) you went low carb and high fitness, developed hypothyroidism, ate terribly, got some glucose dysregulation while ill, sorted out your eating, took some supplements, and feel better?

I totally agree with you that we all do better when well nourished.
And there are plenty of forum members who find that dietary changes allow their bodies to ‘reverse’ glucose dysregulation (in some cases, notably some cases of T2). Members report that multiple approaches help with tackling T2, including LCHF (with or without weight loss), the Newcastle Diet, weight loss by other means, better overall nutrition, and ceasing dietary bad habits, increased exercise and fitness, fasting, supplementation with a variety of supplements and herbs (cinnamon, bitter melon, amla, berberine, etc.).

Another feature often mentioned on the forum is how stress, pain, infections (i.e. illness) often raise blood glucose levels, which then lower upon recovery.

It looks to me as though you have utilised/experienced a few of these in your journey.
In your case your glucose dysregulation has improved (for now) allowing you greater carb tolerance.
This doesn’t always happen, but I am delighted that it has for you.
Although you have not mentioned any formal medical testing that shows you had diabetes.

I REALLY do not wish to belittle your experience.
Myself, I have a long history of medical issues that were not confirmed for decades by my health care professionals. So I know how frustrating it is to not have test results that stop people from declaring your symptoms don't exist.
But I hope you can appreciate that you are posting on a forum that is filled with people who have trodden this path before you, and who have tried (with varying degrees of success) many of your suggestions.

I would argue that you do not have sufficient data to show which of your many behavioural changes and dietary changes have contributed to your blood glucose changes. It may even have simply been your illness. You have no way of showing how each change has impacted, because you have not recorded their impact in isolation. Unless you have detailed records on each individual protocol?

By your own admission, you went from a bad diet to a better one.
Maybe that was enough for you. Some members find this.
Maybe it was the illness? In which case your blood glucose would have returned to normal anyway, irrespective of your changes.

I had a look at the studies you linked to.

The first one had dubious relevance (in the context) since, by its own statement, its purpose was to show that
Ultimately, a better understanding of the pathophysiology of type 2 diabetes will aid the development of new and complementary drug targets.
And focused heavily on conventional understanding of insulin resistance, much of which is not supported by personal experience of forum members, as reported here on the forum, and by other research used by Ivor Cummins and Jason Fung, to name a couple.

The other links you posted show that good nutrition helps people to regulate blood glucose, while nutritional deficiencies do not.

To be frank, I am not seeing anything that is new and not discussed all over the forum on a daily basis, except that your presentation of the information seems to imply that you have discovered new information that others have failed to notice - despite your suggestions being utilised, daily, by forum members.
 
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Interesting discussion, but I wonder where the OP's feeling about all this!! Is it helpful to you at all, @memememeiii ?! Any take away thoughts from you? Hope you are getting the advise you were looking for/L
 
Your experience with the recent restoration of your glucose metabolism is certainly interesting. But your interpretation and assertions on certain points regarding fats/glucose/LCHF/Keto metabolism are debatable when applied to the general experience of T2D members of this forum.

Perhaps start a separate thread so that we do not further derail the OP's initial dilemma...

 
Got sick.
Self diagnosed diabetes.
Became scientist.
Fixed diabetes with glucose and magnesium.
 
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