My New Questions Please Help!

metalliccats

Member
Messages
5
I 've always thought only carbonhydrates effects the blood sugar so I was only counting carbonhydrates in food labels..
I was happy happy that for example ground beef has no carbonhydrates-sugars etc so I can eat as much as I want...

But I have learned that all the other stuff proteins fats -etc also effects blood sugar but they are less effective than carbonhydtrates..So It scated me I dont know how much protein-fiber-fat should i eat for not getting high blood glucose?Should I also count fats-proteins etc??

I have also heard that when body eats small amount of carbonhydrates it turns consumed proteins into sugar!

My 2nd quesion:
My doctor told me that I must eat 5 grams of carbonhydrates and 20 calories calories per meal but I saw all sort of diffrent opinions on internet and it confused me...can you please help me Thanks!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Garway and Anne999

Terrytiddy

Well-Known Member
Messages
835
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi @metalliccats welcome to the group.:) I will tag @daisy1 for her great info pack for newbies. You are in the right place for help, advice and support. Everybody reacts different to carbs, protein etc. Are you on the Low Carb High Fat (LCHF) way of eating? Do you have a blood glucose meter and test your bloods? This can help you and will show what foods spike your Bg. What type are you? What meds are you on? What is your overall goal? Sorry for all the questions but they will help members with advice they can offer. Please only answer what you are comfortable with.:)
 

Mr_Pot

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,573
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
My 2nd quesion:
My doctor told me that I must eat 5 grams of carbonhydrates and 20 calories calories per meal but I saw all sort of diffrent opinions on internet and it confused me...can you please help me Thanks!
I think you may have misunderstood. If you have 3 meals a day that would be 60 cals a day. Around 1500 is more likely. 15g of carbs a day is just about possible but is extremely low.
 

bamba

Well-Known Member
Messages
319
Type of diabetes
Type 2
I 've always thought only carbonhydrates effects the blood sugar so I was only counting carbonhydrates in food labels..
I was happy happy that for example ground beef has no carbonhydrates-sugars etc so I can eat as much as I want...

But I have learned that all the other stuff proteins fats -etc also effects blood sugar but they are less effective than carbonhydtrates..So It scated me I dont know how much protein-fiber-fat should i eat for not getting high blood glucose?Should I also count fats-proteins etc??

I have also heard that when body eats small amount of carbonhydrates it turns consumed proteins into sugar!

My 2nd quesion:
My doctor told me that I must eat 5 grams of carbonhydrates and 20 calories calories per meal but I saw all sort of diffrent opinions on internet and it confused me...can you please help me Thanks!

https://www.dietdoctor.com/how-low-carb-is-low-carb


5 grams of Carbohydrate is 20 calories
5 grams of Protein is 20 Calories
5 grams of Fat is 45 Calories

At need, protein can be converted to Glucose - ( gluconeogenesis ), fat cannot.
 

Guzzler

Master
Messages
10,577
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Dislikes
Poor grammar, bullying and drunks.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/how-low-carb-is-low-carb


5 grams of Carbohydrate is 20 calories
5 grams of Protein is 20 Calories
5 grams of Fat is 45 Calories

At need, protein can be converted to Glucose - ( gluconeogenesis ), fat cannot.
At optimum, fat is converted into ketones, a better source of fuel in my opinion than the glucose from carbs especially for those of us with metabolic dysfunction.
The body prefers to use protein for growth and repair rather than fuel, it will do this in the lack of/absence of carbs and fats.

Not all calories are created equally, I suggest that you concentrate on lowering carbs rather than lowering calories at this stage.
 

DCUKMod

Master
Staff Member
Messages
14,298
Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
@metalliccats - When do you next speak your Doctor?

I fear you may have mis-heard what he or she said to you about carbs and calories. Whilst many diagnosed with T2 could do with losing some weight, 20 calories and 5gr carb is very extreme indeed. Do you carry any excess weight that he wants you to lose?

Finally, it's not unheard of, but is less usual to be diagnosed T2 in your early twenties. Are you in your twenties or was that a typo?

I think you need to talk to your doctor again, but in the meantime, do try to keep those carbohydrates down, and stick to filling yourself up with proteins and fats.
 
  • Like
Reactions: catarinagallo

metalliccats

Member
Messages
5
I still dont know what to do about protein consuption some websites says protein effects blood glucose after 6 hours from conspumtion and etc....I have Type 2---I dont use meds just exercises and diet…
 

LittleGreyCat

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,245
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Diet drinks - the artificial sweeteners taste vile.
Having to forswear foods I have loved all my life.
Trying to find low carb meals when eating out.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/how-low-carb-is-low-carb


5 grams of Carbohydrate is 20 calories
5 grams of Protein is 20 Calories
5 grams of Fat is 45 Calories

At need, protein can be converted to Glucose - ( gluconeogenesis ), fat cannot.

Recent research shows that fats can be converted to glucose - at least fats like triglycerides which include glycerine which can be broken down into glucose. It is far harder work for the body than processing simple carbohydrates, but it can be done if required.
 

LittleGreyCat

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,245
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Diet drinks - the artificial sweeteners taste vile.
Having to forswear foods I have loved all my life.
Trying to find low carb meals when eating out.
I still dont know what to do about protein consuption some websites says protein effects blood glucose after 6 hours from conspumtion and etc....I have Type 2---I dont use meds just exercises and diet…

Don't panic. Protein can be used to produce glucose but it isn't a fast process and is unlikely to cause any spikes in BG levels.

Noting that ground beef isn't just protein but also contains fat.

In general you should (in my opinion) aim to eat more fats than protein as too much protein cannot be used by the body and has to be discarded.

The jury seems to be out about how much protein is too much, and how harmful too much protein is.
 

daisy1

Legend
Messages
26,457
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Cruelty towards animals.
@metalliccats

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.