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My personal hypothesis - T2 - Low insulin Diet

Absolutely fascinating to read this - thank you for taking the time to post the results - thinking I might give this a try, although having dipped a toe with Intermittent Fasting over the last year, my BG levels always seem to rise slightly having not eaten all day - although must admit, I have approached it very half heartedly - this experiment looks very effective ( for you, anyway ). Thinking I might give this a go. Very interesting thread.
 

Thanks ! Well I guess you never know till you try!, if you do try please keep us updated on what happens !
 
Thanks ! Well I guess you never know till you try!, if you do try please keep us updated on what happens !
To be honest I starting to look at how I could construct a single meal at 1500 calories - I currently LCHF - no more than 30g carb per day - I eat breakfast, very small lunch ( handful nuts, cold cuts, cheese) , one evening meal - and that pretty much adds up to about 1500-1800 calories per day - struggling with skipping breakfast and lunch and still being able to put together a single meal at 1500 cals. Might need the recipe for 'magic' lasagne
 

You could simply eat all three meals as courses! I tried that first of all but the bulk defeated me

The recipe is set out above when I first found out it was "magic". It comes direct from Tim Noakes cook book Real Meal Revolution.

I'm not sure you HAVE to eat 1500 calories , I've happily done it with 1,000 though at that point I think exrcising as well might be a no no - 1000 + 30mins jogging the morning after definitely left me light headed !
My gut feel is that about 1350 is about the " right" amount to properly fill me up but not feel utterly stuffed .
 
This is interesting and valuable work: data and personal reflections side-by-side.
Thank you!
 
This is interesting and valuable work: data and personal reflections side-by-side.
Thank you!
Thanks

Well on the personal reflection front, Having eaten mega meal today my blood glucose shot upto 8.8 ! oops .

The only difference to yesterday was today I included some of the carrot straws, I LOVE carrots and after my disastrous experiment in the middle of the night with a couple of straws on their own I thought maybe I can eat them buried in with other stuff if they have been sauteed. It turns out I really truly can't . I only ate half the veg today (about 50g carrot) and I still have exactly the same portion of salmon left. So tomorrow I am going to do exactly the same thing again this time with reheated veg and see if the idea that somehow stuff that spikes,, spikes less on reheating for me. If I still get the same spike tomorrow I'm afraid carrots must be assigned to the bin for good. - such shame !
I actually think they might spike me more than chips !

I used to eat tons of carrots raw- I felt sooo virtuous at the time ! off for a walk to see if I can bring it down again . drat and double drat !
 
Of course I'll tell you. I'm 75-80% fat, 15-17% protein and 5% carbs.
Per meal and per day. If I don't have enough fat I get hungry. If I have too many carbs I get hungry. If I have too much protein I feel unbalanced. I have done my macros once in awhile for years on my fitness pal and it always ends up with those macros!
I eat about 20 carbs per day in avocado, nuts, a few veggies.
My main fats are avocado, nuts, mayo, olive oil and whatever fat comes with my protein, an ounce of cheese and butter here and there.
I eat about 45 g of protein divided into 4 small meals. This is in line with he .8-1 g per kg lean body mass

I do the OPPOSITE as you as I eat 4 small meals a day and a few Nuts or bite of cheese if I'm hungry. I do this mainly for two reasons. I take very small doses of insulin and it runs out within 2.5-3 hours so if I don't want to keep rising inneed to take a small dose. If I just take the insulin without eating I'll hypo.
Almost more importantly is my stupid nasty stomach. It likes LEAN CUISINE sized meals and it doesn't appreciate fiber. So I'll make my lunch after bf and divide it into 2 meals. Noon and 3:00. Then 5 is a cheese snack and dinner around 6:30.

I used to love fasting but could never eat enough at one or two meals to get my nutrition.

Fortunately this keeps my bs rock steady and I don't need to lose weight. It's not that difficult to carry my food with me in a soft sided cooler. I always have bf and dinner at home and loads of precooked protein. It took awhile to find my routine but now it's all autopilot.

My tank doesn't like to be empty and filled. It likes to be topped off every 3 hours or so.
 
Carrots are actually more sugary after cooking. Buyer beware.

I love them too but they're off my list.
 
Still doing this and still losing. I am down 9 pounds now. My BG is still a bit higher than normal but still below 7 if only just. I have found that the veggies are spiking me much more than normal. I love carrots too but they don't like me much and are one of the foods that I have to pass by.
 
FYI did you know that Chantenay carrots were deliberately bred to develope more sugars? To think I used to use those to make glazed carrots, my bg must have been off the scale!
 
Well it took a while, but back down to 4.9 now so panic over !

I thought people might find it interesting to see what this is all doing to me with regard to ketones and thus fat burning.
After I ate today I felt like I was sitting in a furnace, an explosion of heat.
My glucose levels shot up to 8.6 and my ketonix keytone levels shot down down to 4 ppm .( which is still nutritional ketosis)
looking at this website .

https://www.ketogenicforums.com/t/ketonix-breath-analyzer-help-keto-level-comparisons/7537/5

"According to an article “Measuring Breath Acetone for Monitoring Fat Loss: Review“ by
Joseph C. Anderson (Obesity (2015) 23, 2327–2334. doi:10.1002/oby.21242 ), the range
of breath acetone for nutritional ketosis is 4-30 PPM. " (Ketonix Manual 2016 v1.5 EN) and that is why the set the Blue to Green threshold at 3.9ppm."

So basically after my big meal I dropped down to the bottom of the nutritonal ketosis band ( which is i think usually considered to be 1.5 mmol blood - ( need to fix my blood meter to check. )

Now look at what has happened since, my metabolism has stormed into overdrive - on this chart it is reading 38 - since then its gone even higher around 42.

This would explain why I feel like I'm on fire!

If you compare this to the charts on the website , including people on 7 day fasts then my numbers do seem to be driving a lot higher than those even on multi day fasts . Most of the people on the site are referencing numbers up to about 15 max. It may be that they are under - recording to an extent. (its easy to give up too soon and thus get too low readings.)

I have been a bit remiss about using this device ( I lost it for a while under a pile of detritus), and I've not actually been trying that hard to get the proper readings until today. The device actually measures the air at the bottom of your lungs. I will try and be a bit more disciplined to test properly before and after the mega meal and in the morning.

No idea if this will translate into actual weight loss, but I can see why my waist may be going down if this is happening, and ketones really do measure how much fat is being burned. I ate at 2.00 pm. I am still bathed in a pool of heat right now - 7 hours later.
 
Just curious, are you eating more veg than normal? Like combining your days worth into one meal rather than spreading them out ?

Veggies raise me too. Even salads. I'm good with heartier ones like asparagus and mushrooms but the faster digesting ones digest too fast. I like using avacodo as a carb source as the fat and fiber don't spike though I do still need insulin.
The fact I don't digest veggies well keeps my portions smaller and eat throughout the day. I know this is not your plan. I would be so stuffed eating all my food at one meal. I commend all who can.
 

Great to see its working. How many days did it take to get to 9lbs?
I'm on 15lbs in 12 days.
 

Would I be right in thinking you don't have to lose weight ? it seems so far like the correct way to gain weight would be to eat litle and often and to lose it the reverse!
 


I'm also conscious that my will power is generally zero, so I've no idea if the fact that I now think I know what I should do will translate into actually doing it.

"There's the RUB" but i love a fighter. and i hope it goes well for you. my nemesis is alcohol. i love a beer. and find it so hard to quit. BUT i have managed to control my blood sugars to a greater degree than before. by following and religiously sticking to KETO - LCHF i have no problem stopping the food carbs and eating high fat medium protein and never more than 20 grams carbs. i stress though in food only. i have found a very low carb beer called Marstons Ressolution. or the odd bottle of Jack D from time to time. if i could stop doing the drinking i know i could beat this diabetes. but as i stated "there's the rub" hopefully soon i can get my head around the alcohol. and start living some life. beat of luck in your temptations CherryAA. best wishes Gaz
 
Hi @Kristin251 I probably ate way more veg the last 2 days because of thanksgiving dinner and then leftovers. Some days I eat a fair amount and others I will eat bacon and eggs. I am not being as scientific as @CherryAA and I am just eating a largish low carb meal. Best guess is its ranging from 1000 to 1200 calories or so and less than 10 grams of carb although last night might have been closer to 15 grams. 9 pounds is about a week. Normally I get waves of overheating, particularly right after I eat even though I am past menopause. Lately I have been cold but the weather has also changed abruptly from summer to late fall. It has gone from the high 20's C to close to freezing at night. I have been stalled or losing like 1 pound a month for at least 6 months. This is fantastic
 

Thanks - the strange thing is that I'm finding this truly " easy" no hardship at all. I get the occasional ingredients wrong, but have zero cravings or feeling like I might give into temptation, its just not there.
Will be interesting to see what happens when I combine that with booze - ( I'm a neat whiskey girl! )

good luck yourself !
 

I'M SO PLEASED its not just me !
 
I came across this today. Another personal "lightbulb" moment.

A kinda big theory -so heavily caveated "in my opinion "

Initially the talk describes way better than I can why polysunsaturated fats need to be drastically reduced in a healthy diet.

Even more importantly it goes onto explain a potential mechanism for WHY carbohydrates become so much worse for diabetics than for the rest of the population.

The talk is complex but to paraphrase - in my opinion language
Its pretty well accepted I think that Fructose is the biggie in terms of causing illness, fatty liver disease etc.

Gary has made the link to a paper done in 1984 that shows that

"IN THE PRESENCE" of hyperglaecaemia ( high insulin) instead of converting 3% of carbohydrate content into fructose, the human body converts 30% of carbs into fructose. The fructose then does the damage.

Thus once your insulin levels go up, then you start converting more of the carbs into fructose and thus getting visceral fat.

Thus even that small amount of carbs you are eating - if in the presence of high insulin - should effectively be being counted as 10 times the amount it actually is - in terms of its potential health effect. Hence why very low carb. diets are so effective at starting to resolve diabetes.

The natural corollary of this should be that IF you can get your insulin levels back to optimal then you should find that you no longer convert the carbs into fructose - thus if true - THAT would be potentially a cure for diabetes.

In terms of defining what is a " cure " - I'm not sure its actually necessary to prove that one could go back to eating a toxic diet to no ill effect - the toxic diet is killing the rest of the population too, just not via diabetes. If you no longer have a liver dump, you no longer have high blood glucose and your insulin levels are below 4 - then basically that's about it.

Insulin levels rise in the first place because of the inflammation caused by eating refined carb cooked in poly unsaturated oils , thus the vicious circle begins.

In my opinion that is why in order to " cure" diabetes, the first order of priority should be to get fasting insulin down.

The way to do that is to make sure that you are at the very last matching Om3 v Om 6 oils ( I may change this to INCREASE om 3 - to counteract the fact that the om 6 I currently have is not just what I currently eat but the accumulation of that which I overate in the past. Lots of stuff suggests that basically Om6 is neutralised in the presence of Om 3 oils

So neutralising too much Om 6, getting rid of consumption of inflammatory foods - ie polyunsaturated oils and processed food, plus eating only once a day to enable fasting insulin to come down- "should" be the way to solve the problem .

Finally fructose is neutralised in the presence of Vitamin D. Thus eating fruits in summer makes sense when vitamin D is high and not in winter - which is why flooding the world with fruit in the depth of winter then telling them that they are healthy is a nonsense.

My dose of cod liver oil per day is hereby doubled! and I'm going to get rid of fruits in winter.

https://www.ketogenicforums.com/t/low-carb-breckenridge-gary-fettke-nutrition-inflammation/14471
and related paper

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/diabetes/33/2/196.full.pdf
which is way too technical for me but I assume Gary knows what he means !
 
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