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My Results with theNewcastle Diet

Neo_USA

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Type of diabetes
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Hi,

I've been watching these forums for a while after I've been diagnosed with Type 2 back in July of this year.

I've never been obese though I was slightly overweight. But my frame was always muscular with a detectable gut around my waist. I began a diet and exercise regimen a couple of years ago identifying that I was possibly at risk. So my goal was to lose weight, become more fit, and reduce my risk for diabetes. Ironic that I ended up being diagnosed a couple of years later.

The rub really though was that there didn't seem to be any immediate concern about diabetes when I first started. I make regular visits to my GP and get checked over. I've had spot checks done on my blood sugar and it was always considered to be normal without concern. I think my doctor was more shocked than I was when my A1C came back positive for diabetes.

In 2012 I developed a herniated disc in my lower back. I had been taking Prednisone to deal with the inflammation which was the only thing that was allowing me to live somewhat without too much pain. I ended up having surgery for it in September 2013 and prior to that consumed three dose packs of Prednisone. I suspect that maybe my diabetes was either steroid induced, or that I was on the edge and the steroid treatment pushed me across the finish line so to speak.

I was diagnosed by an A1C of 6.6% and since then I have been doing a lot of research trying to find something that will help me manage my diabetes. That's how I came across articles about the NC diet and some posts that I found on here about people that have tried it.

I just want to be clear that I didn't set out looking for a 'cure' but a reliable way to control my blood sugar levels and get them within the non-diabetic ranges. I do not believe that a cure exists, but I do believe that with proper management via diet and exercise those ranges were probably achievable.

I am 12 days into the NC diet and I am already seeing astounding results concerning the control of my blood sugar.

When I started my own diet 2 years ago I weighed 250lbs.(17.9 st). When I was diagnosed I weighed 230lbs (16.4 st), and when I started the diet I weighed in at 220lbs (15.7 st). Once again I do have a muscular frame so not all of that weight was fat. I now currently weigh 210lbs (15st) since the start of the diet.

Prior to starting I was on a low carb diet approximately < 100 grams a day. I had been checking my blood sugar for months and these were the results over a 2 month period expressed as an average over time:

Average:
FBG: 93 (5.2 mmol)
Pre-meal: 90 (5.0 mmol)
2-Hour Post-Prandial: 98 (5.4 mmol)

Median:
FBG: 95 (5.3 mmol)
Pre-meal: 90 (5.0 mmol)
2-Hour Post-Prandial: 97 (5.4 mmol)

Range:
FBG: 4.7-5.7
Pre-meal: 4.5-5.4
2-Hour Post-Prandial: 4.9-6.3

The above results were from a low carb diet and plenty of exercise. Another point of interest is that my 2 hour and 3 hour post meal checks were statistically the same. So if I had a 2-Hour of 6.3 it would still be 6.3 at 3-Hour. Just basically pointing out that there was no movement even hours after eating.

By the end of the first week on the NC I was seeing some positive results. While on the diet I am exercising 3-4 times a day.

Average:
FBG: 86 (4.6 mmol)
Pre-meal: 85 (4.8 mmol)
2-Hour Post-Prandial: 103 (5.6 mmol)

Median:
FBG: 85 (4.7 mmol)
Pre-meal: 83 (4.6 mmol)
2-Hour Post-Prandial: 103 (5.7 mmol)

Range:
FBG: 4.5-5.3
Pre-meal: 4.2-5.2
2-Hour Post-Prandial: 5.2-6.4

I have not completed week 2 just yet since I am only 5 days into it. But I've noticed a dramatic change in my blood sugar levels. I am still exercising 3-4 times a day but now I am considering scaling it back to twice a day because of the drops.

Average:
FBG: 75 (4.2 mmol)
Pre-Meal: 84 (4.7 mmol)
2-Hour Post-Prandial: 90 (5.0 mmol)

Median:
FBG: 77 (4.3 mmol)
Pre-meal: 84 (4.7 mmol)
2-Hour Postprandial: 88 (4.9 mmol)

Range:
FBG: 3.8-4.3
Pre-meal: 4.4-4.9
2-Hour Postprandial: 4.8-5.3

The big thing I have noticed is that my 3-Hour post-prandial now returns to baseline which is huge where before it remained elevated. Before, I would check my BS and it would be in the mid to high 90s before bed, and when I wake it would be the same if not slightly higher.

Instead now I check my BS before bed and when I wake in the morning it will decline to "normal" levels. On average my bedtime reading is 85 (4.7) and when I wake it will be around 75 (4.2). And for me that is a huge victory.

Prior to starting the diet my blood sugars would spike about 15-20 points after a meal. Now they only spike about 10-15 points after a meal.

This morning I recorded my lowest FBG level yet of 69 (3.8 mmol), but now I'm getting concerned. I'm afraid that my BS will continue to drop too low causing me problems there. I've decided to scale back my workouts to just twice a day and track the results over the next couple of days.

What do you suppose I should do if it continues to decline; gradually come off the diet? I am contemplating that, but I don't want to because I feel like I'm getting fantastic results.

A few details about my diet.

I'm sticking to the NC diet to the letter. I get about 540 calories from meal replacement shakes and fill the remaining 200 with non-starchy vegetables, and the 3 liters of water per day. The water was tough for the first few days but now it seems like it's not enough water as I guzzle them down without a second thought.

I've opted for the Glucerna shakes because they are formulated for diabetics and also because I cannot get the Optifast HP shakes that were used in the study.

It took me about 7 days to adjust to it and I did not experience any of the side effects described (except for one day where I got a little dizzy). I think this is partially due to that my body was already primed for a low calorie diet because I had been eating an average of 1200 calories/day a month leading up to it.

I've decided at this point that when I do eventually come off the diet that the NC diet will be a permanent fixture in some way. I'm thinking at least two meals a day of non-starchy vegetables or meal replacement shakes.

My main concern at this point is as I stated before should I start coming off the diet now because the really low blood sugars is freaking me out.

What do you guys think? Has anyone that completed the NC diet come across the same crossroad?
 
Hi,

What brilliant results. Congratulations.

One thing to bear in mind when you come off the Newcastle, is that you will go from 600ish calories to 1500? 1800? calories. Not sure what the protocol is for returning to a normal diet, but I would make a slow transition.
 
Yes, that is a consideration.

I've spoken with a friend that did a starvation diet for 6 days. He advised that according to the guidelines of that diet you're supposed slowly incorporate solid foods back in first starting in the form of soups.

My idea for a transition has been to incorporate trace amounts of lean meat into the NC recipes I am currently eating then eventually work my way back into a low carb diet as before over time. It's likely I will go back to 1200-1400 calories a day as I was doing for a few months before the diet.

But there in lies the conundrum. Should I be coming off the diet now being so early into it? I really want to finish the 8 weeks but I'm afraid about the low BS I've been getting over the past few days.

I contacted Dr. Roy Taylor who headed the NC research and his response was that some patients responded well while others did not respond so well. So I'm curious if the patients that responded well were seeing the levels that I'm seeing now. If so then I won't be too concerned will forge ahead with the diet.

Not sure.
 
Personally, I would be delighted with those BG levels.

Why are they worrying you? Are you on meds that increase your chance of hypoing? If so, your med team should be supervising you closely.
 
I'm not on any meds.

But it scares me because I have this tendency of going hypo from rigorous exercise. It sent me to the hospital twice because my blood sugar got low enough to where there were adverse effects. Extreme dizziness, erratic heart beat, and so on.

My GP told me he thinks it's because I was eating so little food and carb is why that happens when I exercise really hard. So I lightened up on my exercises to try to avoid hypo episodes.

Because I've experienced that level of hypo I'm afraid of having to endure that for weeks if that's what would happen while following the course of the diet.
 
Some of your figures are very low, and you are certainly not getting enough calories for the amount of exercising you are doing. Personally, and this is only me speaking, I would come off the diet, do the transition thing and get back to sufficient calories to cover your exercise.
 
It definitely sounds like you should cut back on the strenuous exercise for the rest of the 8 weeks then - or alternatively eat a low carb, slow release snack prior to exercising. You might find that even a handful of nuts would make a difference.

Are you adding in the extra fat and veg that are advised?

Edited to add: or do as bluetit suggests. That makes more sense.
 
Are you adding in the extra fat and veg that are advised?

Extra fat? I wasn't aware that extra fat was advised with the NC diet. Can you point me where I can read up on this?

Bluetit,

I was wondering that same thing. Only that I don't want to break from the diet if sticking to it for the duration means seeing long term benefits from having done it.

I guess I was hoping to find someone that completed the NC and faced a similar crossroad to find out what they did and if the result was that they were able to maintain a better than start (pre diet) BG levels.
 
It is my understanding (though goodness knows where I read it!) that a small amount of supplementary oil was advised. Also veg.

I'll put out a call to @Pipp , and @Indy51 who will have much more knowledge about this than me.
 
It is my understanding (though goodness knows where I read it!) that a small amount of supplementary oil was advised. Also veg.

I'll put out a call to @Pipp , and @Indy51 who will have much more knowledge about this than me.

I really appreciate if you would help me with this because I really need to know. I just checked my BG for lunch and it's 71 (3.9 mmol) so now I'm a little freaked out if I should be eating some carbs or fat today to keep from crashing.

Bluetit1802 said:
Didn't @@Andrew Colvin do it? Might be wrong, but he likes his exercise.

Is that someone on this forums?
 
Yes, Andrew is a member here.

Fat won't do much and won't increase your levels. It helps keep them down. It's carbs you need if you want to raise them. A quick release one like a banana.
 
What diet drink are you using for the diet?
How many carbs has it got per drink?
How long after drinking your shake are you seeing these lows?
Have you considered switching to a low carb shake option?

Have you heard of reactive hypoglycaemia, and if so, does it ring any bells?

Yes, people's names with @ in front, are forum members and will be alerted to this thread.

Did @Spiker do the Newky too? For some reason it's ringing a bell...
 
Yes, Andrew is a member here.

Fat won't do much and won't increase your levels. It helps keep them down. It's carbs you need if you want to raise them. A quick release one like a banana.

Yes, quick carbs will raise BG quickly, but may drop quickly afterwards, especially with exercise. Slower release carbs or fat may drip feed energy and prevent the BG dropping in the first place...

Really, the only way to work out what is best for you would be to test BG in both situations.

Either way, if your BG only drops after strenuous exercise, cutting back on that is a very simple and easy temporary solution, until you've got all the info you need.
 
What diet drink are you using for the diet?
How many carbs has it got per drink?
How long after drinking your shake are you seeing these lows?
Have you considered switching to a low carb shake option?

Have you heard of reactive hypoglycaemia, and if so, does it ring any bells?

Yes, people's names with @ in front, are forum members and will be alerted to this thread.

Did @Spiker do the Newky too? For some reason it's ringing a bell...

I'm drinking Glucerna that has 190 calories and 9 grams of carbs.

It's not after drinking the shakes that I'm seeing lows. I'm constantly in those ranges. My BG does go up after about an hour but 2-hour returns back to where I was before I ate or drank.

I'm familiar with reactive hypoglycemia, but I thought it was that your BG drops below where your starting BG was after eating. Am I mistaken?
 
Yes, Andrew is a member here.

Fat won't do much and won't increase your levels. It helps keep them down. It's carbs you need if you want to raise them. A quick release one like a banana.

I'm going to start eating more carbs as of today. Right now I finished lunch and I'm feeling a little crummy. My test right before lunch was a 71 so I'll check again in 2-Hours to see where it is.
 
I'm drinking Glucerna that has 190 calories and 9 grams of carbs.

It's not after drinking the shakes that I'm seeing lows. I'm constantly in those ranges. My BG does go up after about an hour but 2-hour returns back to where I was before I ate or drank.

I'm familiar with reactive hypoglycemia, but I thought it was that your BG drops below where your starting BG was after eating. Am I mistaken?
If your BG drop is brought on by exercise, then reactive hypoglycaemia is unlikely - but it's always worth considering, rejecting, then checking off the list! :)

It may simply be that you don't have enough blood glucose floating around to sustain your muscles during your exercise. In which case, the two obvious options have already been covered; eat more, or exercise less.

But there are people who post regularly here who have BG levels below 4 on a daily basis. It is a non-diabetic BG level, and not a problem unless you are on insulin or medication that further lowers BG...

Your BG levels have dropped sharply over a fairly short time. It can take a while to adjust. It may be just a matter of being gentle with yourself until your body adjusts.
 
I must admit I haven't read every word on your thread Neo, but I'm going to pitch in anyway.

You obviously exercise several times a day, but I'm not sure I can fathom what that entails. Do you use a multi-gym, stepper, rower, treadmill or other things?

I see you have experienced what you feel are low blood scores. Do you feel unwell when your scores read low, or do the numbers scare you because they are less than 4? If you feel unwell, what do you feel, and what have you done about it, up until now? Without knowing what your workout entails, I can't have a view on how hard that might be on the very low calorie diet, but I do want to comment on your numbers.

Please don't be freaked out by your numbers because they are below 4. Many, many non-diabetic people, and some diabetics routinely see numbers in the 3s and are absolutely fine. I am one of those people. I am diabetic, but my numbers have moderated to such an extent my readings are pretty much at the lower end of the scale, almost always. For instance, I didn't actually see any 4s yesterday. I had a fairly low carb day, which wasn't necessarily hugely planned, I just didn't eat much carb. I seemed to surf at 3.5 - 3.9 throughout the day, and felt fine. I was active, doing gardening, washing my car and a few other active, if not heavily strenuous activities. I only start to feel a bit empty at 3.4.

I don't take any meds, so I have nothing driving my levels down. Maybe you will be someone like me, in that regard?

When I have found myself feeling empty, if food is imminent, I just wait for it. If I'm not due to eat, I would probably have a cup of tea, with milk, which just nudges me up a little, and I get on with my day. I have never, ever taken anything carby to treat a low. I just don't need it. If you don't feel well at those levels, that's different.

So, I just wanted to throw the contra view into the mix for discussion.

Finally, I didn't do the Newcastle Diet, nor did I heavily low carb, but I did reduce my carbs. When my bloods were moderating, and I was losing weight, I was swimming every day, sailing, diving, cycling and regularly walking the golf course, so although not working out 3 or 4 times a day, I was significantly active.

I hope you find a way forward. It looks like your bloods want to go low, so go luck with that.
 
I had a very successful outcome from Newcastle diet.

I emphasise every time anyone asks advice that I was monitored on a weekly basis at the pharmacy where I purchased the diet products, in addition I was checked at GP surgery every two weeks. The checks were for BP, weight, ketones in urine, and my record of BG readings.

Within days of starting Newcastle diet my BG range was 4.2 to 6.4.

I exercised in water for an hour at a time, at least once a day, sometimes twice. I had a lot of energy, never felt hungry, and felt very well.

Once again I emphasise support and monitoring from a medical professional is important. For me to offer advice, would be just speculation. So, @Neo_USA do you have any involvement from doc or nurse?
 
If your BG drop is brought on by exercise, then reactive hypoglycaemia is unlikely - but it's always worth considering, rejecting, then checking off the list! :)

It's funny how some things just seem to time correctly.

As I was finishing my previous post I felt the effects of hypoglycemia starting. Listening to what you and Blue said I asked my gf to run to the store and buy me a loaf of multigrain bread. I slowly ate 2 slices and now I feel a little better.

I suspect what happened this morning was the result of a late night run I did right before bed. So I'm definitely overdoing it with the exercise with the amount of calories I'm eating.

From here on I'm going to increase my calories with a few carbs and cut back on the exercise.

My only regret being that I feel as if I didn't have what it took to see the NC diet through the end.
 
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