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IanD

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This is a suggested leaflet based in the infamous D UK leaflet: “Eating well with T2 Diabetes.”

Sensible Eating with T2 Diabetes.
Adapted from the D UK leaflet: “Eating well with T2 Diabetes.”
Direct quotations are in blue.


What is Type 2 diabetes?
Diabetes is a common, life-long condition where the amount of glucose (sugar) in the blood is too high as it cannot be used properly. Glucose comes from the digestion of foods containing carbohydrate and from the liver which makes glucose.

Insulin is vital for life. It is a hormone produced by the pancreas, that helps the glucose to enter the cells where it is used as fuel by the body. Type 2 diabetes develops when the body can still make some insulin, but not enough, or when the insulin that is produced does not work properly (known as insulin resistance).


Poorly controlled diabetes can result in many health problems, including heart disease, blindness, amputations, & kidney failure & other debilitating conditions.

Blood glucose is checked medically by the HbA1c test, which for well controlled diabetes will be 5-6.5% (32-48 mmol/mol.) Non-diabetics will be 4.5 - 6.0 (26 - 42 mmol,) & a realistic level to minimise complications will be below 7.5 (55 mmol)

The HbA1c test should be carried out at least every 12 months, & preferably more frequently. It is the primary test used by health professionals to monitor the progress of the disease.

In addition, self testing using a finger-prick device is recommended. This enables the patient to monitor the condition & learn which foods result in high blood glucose. Readings below 5.0 indicate that suitable food should be eaten at once, as blood glucose below 4.0 is a “hypo” condition which is potentially dangerous.

Good blood glucose control is important in the management of diabetes. Because of the link between eating carbohydrate and blood glucose levels, we have answered some common questions about carbohydrate on the following pages.

What should I avoid eating to control diabetes?
Many common foods are rich in carbohydrate, and should be restricted. (Not necessarily eliminated from your diet.) You do not need carbohydrates for good health, nor for energy or brain function. Your body will normally generate the glucose needed from other foods & glycogen reserves.

Starchy carbohydrates include foods like bread, pasta, chapatis, potatoes, yam, noodles, rice and cereals.

Sugars include table sugar (eg, caster, white, brown), and can also be found in fruit (fructose), and some dairy foods (lactose). They can often be identified on food labels as those ingredients ending with – ose.


Processed foods often contain hidden carbohydrates & sugars. Breakfast cereals are mainly carbohydrate, including sugars, & despite manufacturers claims are not sustaining, & result in hunger & snacking before the next meal.

What can I eat to control diabetes?
A diet rich in protein foods including associated fats, together with vegetables, can be eaten freely. Added fats are best avoided. Added salt may also cause problems. Cooking & table sauces may be used – but look at the labels for carbohydrates & sugars.

Protein foods include meat, cheese, fish, eggs, nuts, pulse (beans). Have an extra portion of vegetables, rather than carbohydrate. Nuts & vegetables will normally contain enough soluble fibre to avoid constipation, but you may wish to add bran to your diet.

Rather than puddings (sweet course) you should choose unsweetened yogourt, cheese or fruit, or simply tea or coffee.

There will normally be a rise in blood glucose immediately after a meal, & it is recommended you test after 2 hours. Such readings should be below 7.5.

What can I eat instead of breakfast cereal?
Bacon, egg, saugages, ham, cheese, etc can be eaten. You can include a small piece of toast, or crispbread.

A useful alternative to porridge is based on ground almonds & other nuts & seeds. Because it is rich in proteins & fats, it is more sustaining than commercial cereals.

What about snacks & packed lunches?
Nuts, cheese & fruit, rather than sandwiches, should be provided.

Flour made from nuts can be used for baking, instead of wheat flour. A cake can be made using ground almonds, soya flour, coconut flour, crushed seeds, etc, blended in the usual way with baking powder, spices, eggs, oil/margarine. This can be used as bread for sandwiches, or sweetened with non-sugar sweeteners for make cake.

What can I drink?
Avoid soft drinks sweetened with sugar. All normal drinks may be consumed freely, within the recommended limits for alcohol.

Don’t use diabetic foods or drinks.
They offer no benefit to people with diabetes. They will still affect your blood glucose levels, contain just as much fat and calories as the ordinary versions, can have a laxative effect and are expensive.


Where can I get further advice & recipes?
A forum run by & for diabetics can be consulted on http://www.diabetes.co.uk
You will normally get an answer from experienced patients, some of whom have faced similar problems. Such advice should be received with caution, as it may not apply to you & your condition.

The "diet plate" gives a schematic view of what you can eat.


Draft – Ian Day
May 23, 2012
With the aid of contributors to the http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/
 
Just one small suggestion Type 2 on diet or metformin do not have hypos so below 4 would actually be really good for us and not something to worry about, not as far as my limited knowlege anyway. You could just say for insulin users just check thats correct first though
 
I've embedded my thoughts Ian.



This is a suggested leaflet based in the infamous D UK leaflet: “Eating well with T2 Diabetes.”

Sensible Eating with T2 Diabetes.
Adapted from the D UK leaflet: “Eating well with T2 Diabetes.”
Direct quotations are in blue.


What is Type 2 diabetes?
Diabetes is a common, life-long condition where the amount of glucose (sugar) in the blood is too high as it cannot be used properly. Glucose comes from the digestion of foods containing carbohydrate and from the liver which makes glucose.

Insulin is vital for life. It is a hormone produced by the pancreas, that helps the glucose to enter the cells where it is used as fuel by the body. Type 2 diabetes develops when the body can still make some insulin, but not enough, or when the insulin that is produced does not work properly (known as insulin resistance).


Poorly controlled diabetes can result in many health problems, including heart disease, blindness, amputations, & kidney failure & other debilitating conditions.

Blood glucose is checked medically by the HbA1c test, which for well controlled diabetes will be 5-6.5% (32-48 mmol/mol.) Non-diabetics will be 4.5 - 6.0 (26 - 42 mmol,) & a realistic level to minimise complications will be below 7.5 (55 mmol)

The HbA1c test should be carried out at least every 12 months, & preferably more frequently. It is the primary test used by health professionals to monitor the progress of the disease.

In addition, self testing using a finger-prick device is recommended. This enables the patient to monitor the condition & learn which foods result in high blood glucose. Readings below 5.0 indicate that suitable food should be eaten at once, as blood glucose below 4.0 is a “hypo” condition which is potentially dangerous.

[That's only an issue for insulin using T2's or those on strong meds. The advise should be adjusted as many of us have fasting levels in the low 4's which is entirely normal]

Good blood glucose control is important in the management of diabetes. Because of the link between eating carbohydrate and blood glucose levels, we have answered some common questions about carbohydrate on the following pages.

What should I avoid eating to control diabetes?
Many common foods are rich in carbohydrate, and should be restricted. (Not necessarily eliminated from your diet.) You do not need carbohydrates for good health, nor for energy or brain function. Your body will normally generate the glucose needed from other foods & glycogen reserves.

[restricted imo should say "restricted based on what your meter is telling you" or similar]

[I don't think you need to justify the paragraph with a techie statement like that. It just confuses and sounds defensive imo]


Starchy carbohydrates include foods like bread, pasta, chapatis, potatoes, yam, noodles, rice and cereals.

Sugars include table sugar (eg, caster, white, brown), and can also be found in fruit (fructose), and some dairy foods (lactose). They can often be identified on food labels as those ingredients ending with – ose.


Processed foods often contain hidden carbohydrates & sugars. Breakfast cereals are mainly carbohydrate, including sugars, & despite manufacturers claims are not sustaining, & result in hunger & snacking before the next meal.

[maybe true but unnecessarily aggressive imo]

What can I eat to control diabetes?
A diet rich in protein foods including associated fats, together with vegetables, can be eaten freely. Added fats are best avoided. Added salt may also cause problems. Cooking & table sauces may be used – but look at the labels for carbohydrates & sugars.

Protein foods include meat, cheese, fish, eggs, nuts, pulse (beans). Have an extra portion of vegetables, rather than carbohydrate. Nuts & vegetables will normally contain enough soluble fibre to avoid constipation, but you may wish to add bran to your diet.

Rather than puddings (sweet course) you should choose unsweetened yogourt, cheese or fruit, or simply tea or coffee.

There will normally be a rise in blood glucose immediately after a meal, & it is recommended you test after 2 hours. Such readings should be below 7.5.

[Keep to 7.8 as it the official value?]


What can I eat instead of breakfast cereal?
Bacon, egg, saugages, ham, cheese, etc can be eaten. You can include a small piece of toast, or crispbread.

A useful alternative to porridge is based on ground almonds & other nuts & seeds. Because it is rich in proteins & fats, it is more sustaining than commercial cereals.

[Again don't think you need to be that aggressive]

What about snacks & packed lunches?
Nuts, cheese & fruit, rather than sandwiches, should be provided.

Flour made from nuts can be used for baking, instead of wheat flour. A cake can be made using ground almonds, soya flour, coconut flour, crushed seeds, etc, blended in the usual way with baking powder, spices, eggs, oil/margarine. This can be used as bread for sandwiches, or sweetened with non-sugar sweeteners for make cake.

What can I drink?
Avoid soft drinks sweetened with sugar. All normal drinks may be consumed freely, within the recommended limits for alcohol.

[Add diet soft drinks are ok]

Don’t use diabetic foods or drinks.
They offer no benefit to people with diabetes. They will still affect your blood glucose levels, contain just as much fat and calories as the ordinary versions, can have a laxative effect and are expensive.


Where can I get further advice & recipes?
A forum run by & for diabetics can be consulted on http://www.diabetes.co.uk
You will normally get an answer from experienced patients, some of whom have faced similar problems. Such advice should be received with caution, as it may not apply to you & your condition.

The "diet plate" gives a schematic view of what you can eat.


Draft – Ian Day
May 23, 2012
With the aid of contributors to the http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/[/quote]


[Ian because the document is "carbohydrate averse" at no point does it enable GI / GL principles to be applied which many of us think is very useful and has been proven to have a positive benefit on HbA1c. It is unrealistic to believe that all T2's will want to or be able to be that strict with carbs so advice on what are good carbs is necessary but obviously within a framework of advocating carb restriction]
 
Thanks for the suggestions - I'll wait for a few more (hopefully) before I make the amendments.
 
I may be barking up a tree for no reason, But why put a link to an information booklet (D UK leaflet ) at the top of page, that totally contradicts the low carb diet theory? I know it says adapted from but to my mind that would/will confuse people as to what is the best diet to follow? Lets work on the assumption that not every body has a BGM as they are generally not given to type 2 diabetics and cannot work to their meter, I would imagine that people would look at the booklet and assume, the diet is fine and as DSN will advise from it and tell them the same. May not look and read the information that is posted on this forum because of what is written in it. Maybe it would be beneficial to put carb intake guidelines in, and how levels affect, i.e weight loss against balanced diet ect.
 
RoyG said:
I may be barking up a tree for no reason, But why put a link to an information booklet (D UK leaflet ) at the top of page, that totally contradicts the low carb diet theory? I know it says adapted from but to my mind that would/will confuse people as to what is the best diet to follow? Lets work on the assumption that not every body has a BGM as they are generally not given to type 2 diabetics and cannot work to their meter, I would imagine that people would look at the booklet and assume, the diet is fine and as DSN will advise from it and tell them the same. May not look and read the information that is posted on this forum because of what is written in it. Maybe it would be beneficial to put carb intake guidelines in, and how levels affect, i.e weight loss against balanced diet ect.

The point is a direct attack on the booklet - A DUK rep will get it on Tuesday May 29 when I make my presentation on "My experience with low carb diet."

It is a draft for discussion that I hope will be taken up by DUK, discussed with people from this forum, & result in a totally revised "Healthy Eating" booklet.
 
I see Ian, now I have looked at the other link you posted, excellent contribution to the Forum and what better way to show the pitfalls of something: as showing the success of the opposite way. It shows what really is the problem to a greater extent. Do you think that the DUK and medical profession will take on board the results and change the way they deal with Diabetes, In what other way's do you think the message can be spread. I am shocked myself at the way information is so recklessly given to new patients, and then left to deal with the aftermath on their own with no support or help it's totally unprofessional and irresponsible to me. My own DSN is useless and My doctor wont budge from the NICE guidelines. I and I am sure many others feel that we are irrelevant numbers in the post code lottery, and left to either go our own way, or be slowly worsened by the NHS diet and poor advice.
 
RoyG said:
I may be barking up a tree for no reason, But why put a link to an information booklet (D UK leaflet ) at the top of page, that totally contradicts the low carb diet theory? I know it says adapted from but to my mind that would/will confuse people as to what is the best diet to follow? Lets work on the assumption that not every body has a BGM as they are generally not given to type 2 diabetics and cannot work to their meter, I would imagine that people would look at the booklet and assume, the diet is fine and as DSN will advise from it and tell them the same. May not look and read the information that is posted on this forum because of what is written in it. Maybe it would be beneficial to put carb intake guidelines in, and how levels affect, i.e weight loss against balanced diet ect.

Thats what I thought too Roy. No disrespect whatsoever to Ian who has worked very hard on this. I It is certainly a very clever answer o the DUK booklet. But , it is always necessary o consider your audience and your aims.

Ians idea will be great for the meeing he intends it for but, like you I thin the newly diagnosed will almost certainly miss the point. Not everyone reads all the suff hey are given immediately and fewer still are able o understand it pehaos afer a shock diagnosis.
Same with the "eat o your meter " mantra. Fine for us who have meters. The newly diagnosed and those who don't will onbviously find it irrelevant and maybe assume i is intended for T1s or others. HCPs who don't agree wih it wuld probably just bin it rather than pu hemselves in the posiion of making awkward explanations to patients.
 
I had alook at Ref. 18 of DUK's "Position Statement." It looks as if DUK are inhibiting the implementation of research findings supportive of low carb.

Worth J, Soran H (2007). Is there a role for low carbohydrate diets in the management of type 2 diabetes? Q J Med 100; 659–663

In summary, low-CHO diets of 6–12 months duration have no adverse effect on CVD risk factors, and show no major adverse effects to preclude their use. Meaningful weight loss is achieved, but this does not appear to be sustained beyond 6 months. Long-term trials are required to assess their safety, and studies are awaited to define the role of such diets within patients with diabetes. In the study by Samaha et al., 39% had diabetes, and the mean fasting glucose level decreased more in the low-CHO group than in the low-fat group (−9 ± 19% vs. 2 ± 7%, p = 0.02) at 6 months.13 A 16-week pilot diet intervention trial also demonstrated that a low-CHO, ketogenic diet can improve glycaemic control in obese type 2 DM patients (mean BMI 42), such that diabetes medications were discontinued or reduced in 17 of the 21 participants.19 However, to date there has been no randomized controlled trial in type 2 DM patients and health care professionals remain wary of their use, particularly as standard dietary advice from Diabetes UK does not support this approach.7
 
DUK keep pushing the "lo-fat" route... we now know "lo-fat" products have added sugars to make them palatable, the "lo-fat" ship needs torpedoeing...
 
This seems to be the final comment from DUK about my experience, my recommendation that they come to this forum, revise their advice in the light of real diabetics' experience, & my presentation:
Thank you for your reply email dated 15 June 2012.

We are always grateful to receive feedback and will ensure your comments are taken into account when we update our information in light of the new nutritional guidelines.

Best wishes

Clinical Advisor
Policy and Care Improvement team
Diabetes UK
 
IanD said:
This seems to be the final comment from DUK about my experience, my recommendation that they come to this forum, revise their advice in the light of real diabetics' experience, & my presentation:
Thank you for your reply email dated 15 June 2012.

We are always grateful to receive feedback and will ensure your comments are taken into account when we update our information in light of the new nutritional guidelines.

Best wishes

Clinical Advisor
Policy and Care Improvement team
Diabetes UK

Excellent non-answer!
 
This has been an interesting exercise but a leaflet giving healthcare advice to all should make sure that it is not, inadvertently, mandating actions which may not be in a patients best interests. For instance, some nuts are better for you than others e.g. those grown in temperate climates, certain diabetic drugs suppress the production of glucose by the liver so you would not get your glucose from there, a diet that is almost devoid of carbohydrate is unlikely to produce much glucose and therfore the body would have to run in ketosis - and that is not the same, cardiologists caring for post-MI patients and other HCPs caring for post-stroke patients might not be too pleased with the breakfast you have suggested, and sweet wine has no added sugar but I would not drink that! These are just a few instances.

Patient information is not as simple as recording what you find best for you and then saying " everyone do that", however, as I said at the outset - an interesting exercise.

Doug
 
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