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Negitive Effect of insulin

accessnandi

accessnandi

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My father is a Type 2 Blood sugar patient and was on Oral medicine for last 10 years. His BG level was pretty stable all these years until last 6 minths the BG level increased to level 260 Fasting and 330 PP.

The Doctor recommended insulin as the oral rehabilitation was no more working and my Father started insulin recently about 2 weeks( 18-20 units @ breakfast ) . Now surprisingly the Level rose even after taking insulin to 280 fast and 370 P. He is using Human mixard 70/30 .

After two weeks we found no change in my father blood sugar level and last friday the doctor again recommended 18 units in morning and added 12 units in bedtime. Today after 3 days , we are shooked when we saw that his blood sugar level rosed to 300 Fasting and 440 PP after taking the new insulin dose recommendation

I never though in my nighmare that blood sugar have negative impact to BG levels

Please help me doctor why this is happening I am pretty in shock state seeing this.

I am afraid loosing him if this continues. Please help me
 
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Hi,

May enquire into your fathers diet.. What is he eating??
 
Unfortunately it looks like your father's pancreas has been overwhelmed. Insulin is not causing his blood sugar to rise. He needs insulin and there will be a process of "trial and error" to get the dosage right. As @Jaylee mentions, his diet will be a very important factor. On that mixed insulin regime he needs to eat meals with the same nutritional composition, at the same time each day.
 
By the way you do know we are not doctors, right?
 
Jaylee said:
Hi,

May enquire into your fathers diet.. What is he eating??
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He is Having

1> 3 glass of water emply in stomach
2>Tea with milk Without sugar with 3-4 cracker Bisciut
3> Breakfast 2 Hand tost whole wheat bread with Vegetable
4>Lunch 2 bowl rice with Vege checken fish and yogurt
5> One orage /sweet lime
6>Evening tea with milk mut no sugar with 2-3 cracker buiscuit
7> Puffed rice
8>Dinner :3 Hand tost whole wheat bread with Vegetable
 
Spiker said:
Unfortunately it looks like your father's pancreas has been overwhelmed. Insulin is not causing his blood sugar to rise. He needs insulin and there will be a process of "trial and error" to get the dosage right. As @Jaylee mentions, his diet will be a very important factor. On that mixed insulin regime he needs to eat meals with the same nutritional composition, at the same time each day.
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Thanks for your time and reply .How Soon does it take to see positive effect of insulin, There should be some improvement seen but its rising after starting insulin dosage . Whats causing this if you can suggest. I know you guys are not doctors But i beleive in real life experience .
 
It might be good for the doctor to teach you or your father to adjust your father's insulin dose. Probably he needs even more insulin than he is getting now. The normal technique would be to raise the insulin a small amount if his blood sugar is consistently high at the same time for three days in a row, eating the same food.
 
accessnandi said:
He is Having

1> 3 glass of water emply in stomach
2>Tea with milk Without sugar with 3-4 cracker Bisciut
3> Breakfast 2 Hand tost whole wheat bread with Vegetable
4>Lunch 2 bowl rice with Vege checken fish and yogurt
5> One orage /sweet lime
6>Evening tea with milk mut no sugar with 2-3 cracker buiscuit
7> Puffed rice
8>Dinner :3 Hand tost whole wheat bread with Vegetable
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Wow, that is a heart breaking diet. Is someone trying to starve him? It's very very high carb and very low fat. It is not surprising in the least that his blood sugar is high, especially if he's been eating like that for the last 10 years or more.

The bread, rice, crackers, orange (and possibly the yoghurt, depending what kind) will flood the blood with glucose as they are composed of almost all carbohydrates.

You need to work with his doctor to change his diet to reduce the amount of carbs. Since he is now on insulin, this change in diet needs to be done under medical supervision.
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
Wow, that is a heart breaking diet. Is someone trying to starve him? It's very very high carb and very low fat. It is not surprising in the least that his blood sugar is high, especially if he's been eating like that for the last 10 years or more.

The bread, rice, crackers, orange (and possibly the yoghurt, depending what kind) will flood the blood with glucose as they are composed of almost all carbohydrates.

You need to work with his doctor to change his diet to reduce the amount of carbs. Since he is now on insulin, this change in diet needs to be done under medical supervision.
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My father is not Obese and weight only 55 Kg with a height of 5 ft 9 inches. he need some diet so that does go fatigue. Also we are from India where we dont have much food option as in western countries.
 
accessnandi said:
He is Having

1> 3 glass of water emply in stomach
2>Tea with milk Without sugar with 3-4 cracker Bisciut
3> Breakfast 2 Hand tost whole wheat bread with Vegetable
4>Lunch 2 bowl rice with Vege checken fish and yogurt
5> One orage /sweet lime
6>Evening tea with milk mut no sugar with 2-3 cracker buiscuit
7> Puffed rice
8>Dinner :3 Hand tost whole wheat bread with Vegetable
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Hi again,

I totally agree with @NoCrbs4Me .. The diet though doing the correct thing not eating sugar, does contain carbohydrates which break down in the digestive system & raise the blood sugar levels...Even the Orange/sweet lime contains sugars that broken down with fibre content of the fruit could drive up the sugar levels in the blood too..!

As @Spiker suggests. your father needs to consult a Doctor.
 
Rather than pointing out that low carb Indian food is difficult to do, you need to accept that not reducing the amount of carbs in your father's diet could result in his continued physical deterioration and figure out how to prepare low carb dishes for him.
It may be difficult, but it's not impossible, especially since he is not a vegetarian.

But even a vegetarian can eat a low carb Indian diet if they put their mind to it:

https://indianfoodsafari.wordpress....th-indian-vegetarian-goes-on-a-low-carb-diet/
 
Hi. Your father appears to not be overweight which I suspected might be the problem. Yes, the diet could be tweaked to reduce the carbs and increase protein and fat. It is a surprise that the insulin isn't working and I think he needs an expert's advice on this. It may be the insulin type needs to be changed. If your father is in fact T1 and not T2 (possible due to the low weight) then a move from mixed insulin to Basal/Bolus would normally provide tighter control. Do discuss the diagnosis with the GP and a change of the insulin?
 
Daibell said:
Hi. Your father appears to not be overweight which I suspected might be the problem. Yes, the diet could be tweaked to reduce the carbs and increase protein and fat. It is a surprise that the insulin isn't working and I think he needs an expert's advice on this. It may be the insulin type needs to be changed. If your father is in fact T1 and not T2 (possible due to the low weight) then a move from mixed insulin to Basal/Bolus would normally provide tighter control. Do discuss the diagnosis with the GP and a change of the insulin?
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Can This be a case of insulin resistance?
 
accessnandi said:
Can This be a case of insulin resistance?
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hello, ,this isn't medical advice, this is just what I would do if it was my dad.
I would need to get clear instructions from the DR on how he wants to increase the insulin till my dads levels are in range.
I would want a pamphlet similar to this on adjustment. if this is what the Dr wanted me to do.
http://www.nhslanarkshire.org.uk/Se... Adjustment for twice daily mixed insulin.pdf

I would reduce all rice and wheat flour as much as you can and cut them out all together if I can afford to.....
basmati rice is said to be the better one. and roti made from besan flour
http://breads-pies.qualitylivingstyles.com/channa roti.html

for diet I would have lots of nonstarch vegetables with meat and beans lentils and peas, with lots of animal fat, ghee/butter, coconut oil, olive oil, ..a little grain oil would be rape seed..I'd use the grain oil with the least amount of polyunsaturated/omega 6 you can easily get.
full fat dairy..the yogurt would be unsweetened

when I reduce carb ..I add fat/oil to replace the lost calories, they say fat/oil is good now and low fat has been wrong for 50 years

have a read and adjust it to the foods and cooking styles you have their, but I could live happily on low carb indian and replace the rice with vegetables and fats/oils
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/
 
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