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New and totally confused !

Jaygage

Member
Messages
6
Location
Essex
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi all, I'm newly diagnosed with type 2, and have been put onto 500 mg of Metformin per day. I was given a leaflet by my gp on diet, but tbh I'm finding the whole thing confusing, as there are so many conflicting views in what I can and can't eat !
Also I have the most violent stomach pains and "the runs".

My main questions are :
Diet - many of you seem to be following LCHF plans - so can I go back to Atkins - ie eating steak, cheese, chicken with skin on, peanuts, vodka etc ?
The gp leaflet said to avoid red meat and to eat crumpets and fruit scones and wholemeal bread and pasta !

Metformin - is this discomfort usual, and when does it stop ?

I would be really grateful for a bit of guidance please thankyou !
 
Hilarious! Looking forward to the comments on that leaflet that I'm sure will follow shortly! Lol

I'm new to all this but even with my limited knowledge I know, pasta, bread, crumpets and fruit scones are not a good idea! I think I might have seen your Doctor doing a turn at the Comedy Club!

Don't panic I'm guessing help is on its way from the very knowledgeable people on the forum, who do not moonlight as comedians!

Good luck with your journey you're in safe hands here!
 
I did think it seemed a little too good to be true !
Annoying tho, as I also enjoyed having crumpets for breakfast today, and a scone at lunchtime - I thought it was a bit odd tbh.
I then had a ready meal from tescos of a white rice and chicken risotto, which was apparently ok as it had the green traffic light symbols.
I would really rather have the Atkins style food, so seems quite a good thing that I've found this place.
Thanks, Rosserk !
 
The Metformin will ve causing the stomach pains and the runs. If it doesnt settle down you should ask to be put on SR slow release metformin as it is apparently gentler on your stomach. If you like the atkins way if eating go for it, if you follow the gp's leaflet you will be on insulin in no time. Cutting back on carbs is essential in getting your BS levels down. By coming to the forum you are already heading in the right direction, there are a lot of helpful people here, all speaking from experience and willing to help. I will tag @daisy1 to send you through some information to read. It takes a bit of time to get your head around everything but you will get there. Do you have a meter to test your BS as it is essential to have one so you can see what effect different food has on your BS.
 
Thanks 4ratbags - I'm actually quite irritated by that doctors leaflet now you have said that and very pleased I found you guys so early on
Yes I did well on Atkins some years ago,so will hop back onto that bus quite easily.
I don't have a meter, no. Do I get one from my gp ? And what would the "correct" level be ? See, I really haven't been told much except to take the pills and come back in a month.
I guessed it was the Metformin making me feel bad. If it hasn't settled by the time I have the next appt booked I will ask for SR - many thanks for all your help xxx
 
The rice is also a no no I'm afraid! Your Doctor is defo confused with his day job and the moonlighting as a comedian, either that or he's got shares in the local undertakers and he's trying to bump you off! Lol

Sorry I'm not trying to be flippant, I'm anti Doctors at the moment. And if I don't laugh I will cry!

Everything you ate today from the rice to the scones is on your don't touch list in future!

You can try and get a meter from your Doctor but you will be very lucky if they give you one, the directive is type two's don't need a meter if they are not on insulin.

Most people on the forum recommend one that's cheap enough to buy and the test strips are half the price you will find anywhere else. Someone will come along with the links soon, sorry I don't have them to hand. I think it's vital to have one, for a start if you'd taken your readings after your meals today you'd have likely had a shock! If I'd eaten crumpets my blood sugars would have been above 12 possibly higher! Don't be fooled by the healthy food label your looking for the lowest carb content you can find. If I eat 30 grams of carbs per meal my blood sugar would go into double figures. I haven't found my safe level yet, I'm still waiting on test results but that's another story. The meter will help you establish which foods spike your blood sugars and then you can start to avoid them. You're already off to a good start because you're a fan of Atkins which should help.
 
Unfortunately you will most probably have to buy your own meter and strips but it is worth it otherwise you have no way of knowing which foods spike you and those that dont.
 
Hi welcome to the forum. Definitely worth getting a meter which you will probably have to self fund but it is the biggest investment that you can make in controlling your diabetes. By testing different foods you will learn what pushes your BS up and what doesn't. We are all different in what we can and can't eat - I count myself lucky in that I can eat a couple of slices of seeded bread, some types of cereals and re-heated pasta however scampi is definitely off the menu! Carbs turn to sugar so low carb food and full fat foods are better for us as low fat foods often have sugar added to bump up the taste that taking out the fat has reduced. Also watch out for fruit as it is loaded with sugar - many of us find that berries are best. Make sure that burgers, sausages etc are 95% meat and if you have chocolate the 85% or more is best. Also remember that there is a wealth of experience on this forum for you to tap into - we've all been there and got the T-shirt! From my own perspective being diabetic has made me re-visit my diet which was considered healthy - low fat, brown everything, lots of fruit but was, in fact, raising my BS and by eating low carb, full fat I have lost about 3 stone and lowered both my BS and cholesterol. Good luck and ask questions if you're unsure about anything!
 
Thanks - you have all been really helpful and I really appreciate it ! Everything seems to make a lot more sense now !
I'm going to point out the huge holes in the dietary "plan" from the gp next time I go, as it seems to me that it could do someone serious damage. In the meantime I will buy. meter as you suggest, and also ask for the sr Metformin
Thanks so much LCHF here I come ! xxx
 
I am a vegetarian that occasionally eats a small amount of fish before being diagnosed when out with friends at lunchtime I would have probably chosen a pasta dish with tomato based sauce which can be high in sugars so my DN recommended i have fish and chips instead as there could not possibly be any added sugar. didn't do much for my levels. I went on the Desmond course and it seemed to be focused on not feeling deprived. Ok to eat chocolate cake biscuits drink alcohol, what they do not seem to take into account is some of us have a problem with food and if i have one biscuit i want more,it is easier for me not to eat the first one. The women running the course was quite hostile that several of us were using meters,inforced the its not necessary line. Understanding how the process of how insulin works was useful,and meeting others in the same position was good
 
Yes you get the feeling that they believe they know it all, ha if only they knew they were wrong but until it is printed in their little books they will go round blindly thinking they are making a difference. Thank goodness for the forum, a lifesaver for many of us here.
 
Hi. Yes, Metformin is well-known for causing bowel 'effects'. Often only for the first week or tow but do ask for the SR version if it continues. It's more expensive so the surgeries wait for you to complain (which adds extra cost!). The GP's diet leaflet needs to go into nearest bin as others have said. Only this week in the news they were talking about the growing cost of amputations; I wonder why that's happening
 
Hi @Jaygage , welcome

As you say many have been successful with LCHF (including me) - first recommendation though would be to get yourself a test meter and check what differentfoodsdo to you.
 
Hi and welcome
I won't tag
@daisy1 as someone beet me to it ha ok I have but she will find it twice as fast now lol
Cut out or should I say down on the carbs spuds bread pasta and rice to start with YES get as test kit ( I told the doc I wanted to play an active roll in taking on my ailment and he got the nurse to give me one ) that sounds bad but I think she's safe or should that be I'm safe as she is about 20 years older than me ( I'm 61 ) don't panic or stress that can make things worse promise you will be fine we will all help if we can try taking your Meds as you are eating your meal not before this may help with the tummy pain and a big Yes to cheese meat veg eggs fish and it's not all salads you will get sick of them in no time good luck
Keep well stay safe JJ
 
@Jaygage

Hello and welcome to the forum

Here is the information we give to new members to add to the mass of great information from other members already. Keep on asking those questions and as you have seen people will be able to answer you.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hello and welcome.
I was confused at first and I was diabetic six months before I joined the forum,I had never joined a forum before.
Now twelve months on i know how to cope with it and my BG has gone down.
I have also made a lot of friends and people are here for me if I am worried about anything.
Stick with us and all the best.
 
Thanks everyone for being so helpful. I did complain in the end about the Metformin, and was given the S/R type which I started yesterday, so fingers (rather than legs) crossed !
I wondered why it wasn't given immediately, but the point that it costs more sadly makes perfect sense lol.
I've cut right back on the carbs (unfortunately had only just done a weekly shop so have had to bodge it a bit this week) but from the next tescos delivery it's low carb high fat all the way. And.....I seem to have lost quite a lot of weight ......prob the Metformin, but either way ...... xxx
 
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