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Dee2

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Hi..I am new here.. :shock: I have been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes since March 2011..currently I take Metformin 500mg x2 twice a day..along with gliclazide 80mg x2 in the morning and 1 in the evening..I am struggling greatly at the moment trying to keep my levels under control..my highest reading was 29.5! and I have suffered some hyperglycaemic episodes...this is difficult as I work full time

It seems the more medication I am given the higher the reading??

Tomorrow I have a diabetic check up..I am hoping my reading will be good..I have to buy my own Accu strips as my doctors won't prescribe them..although they tell me to keep testing..at £27.27 I am struggling to pay for them..any advice would be greatly recieved..thank you :)
 

Grazer

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Good luck at your appointment. I'd argue that as you're on a potentially hypo inducing drug (gliclazide) that you ought to be prescribed strips for safety reasons.
 

xyzzy

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Hello Dee and welcome to the forum.

I'm afraid many doctors don't want to let you test but it's great you have your own meter as most of us would recommend you do. You are getting some very high numbers and need to get it sorted out. One reason for getting those high numbers could be that you haven't been given any decent dietary advice either which again is very typical. Many of us find eating the right things and avoiding the dangerous stuff can be ten times as effective as any diabetic medication. I am assuming you are a classic Type 2 in that you are middle aged or older and a bit overweight even if only slightly. If you are not then say so and we can advise you what to say to your doctor next!

Anyway as a normal Type 2 here's what I did. I was diagnosed in December last year and using the advice I found on this site I got my blood sugar levels back to normal within around a couple of months or so and I have also normalised my cholesterol levels and blood pressure as well. I have now lost over 3 stone in weight too. My doctor is very pleased how I am getting on and has advised me to keep doing what I have been doing since it's obviously working really well. I have normalised everything and just take Metformin to help a bit. Not a cure as I still have to be very careful what I eat but I feel loads better than I did.

Diet wise its really easy. Just drastically cut down or better cut out all things with plain sugar, so biscuits, cakes, sugar in tea and coffee, pure fruit juices, non diet versions of soft drinks. Next and really importantly try halving starchy foods like rice, pasta, potatoes, bread, cereals and any other flour based products. Replace what's now missing with extra meat, fish, eggs, cheese and especially vegetables. Vegetables that grow above ground are best although most of us find carrots fine. Things like yoghurt are fine as is a small amount of fresh fruit. I find the ones that end in "berry" are the best. If you don't mind artificial sweeteners things like Diet Coke are fine to drink. On the starchy foods that are left swap try brown basmati rice instead of white and brown or tri-colour pasta. The bread that most recommend is actually Bergen soya bread but some do ok with wholemeal as well.

The above diet is close to one you would be one recommended to try by the Swedish Health service. It was introduced in that country last year and the American health service and several other countries health services recommend something very similar for Type 2 diabetics. In the UK the diet guidelines are now over 30 years old and are only gradually being updated. As the UK is lagging behind you may find what I and other forum members recommend is different to what your are told is a good diet for you follow.

As Grazer says you should point out to the doctor that gliclazide is a potentially hypo inducing medication so you should be testing your blood levels before you drive as the DVLA says you have to. If that still gets you nowhere then you can usually get strips a bit cheaper of Amazon or eBay or what many members have done is buy a relatively new meter called an SD CodeFree. The meter and 50 strips will cost under £20 then new strips are just £5 per 50 so a lot cheaper. The cheapest place to buy is the healthcare.co.uk shop on eBay but make sure you get a UK mmol/l model and not a US mg/dl one or the numbers it shows will be confusing.

The reason testing is important is you should try and keep your blood sugars below 8ish two hours after eating any meal. Above the 8 value is where the dangers of complications do begin to occur according to diabetic experts. So if you can't test how will you now if what you are eating is keeping you safe? The problem is every diabetic is different so my earlier advice to halve starchy foods is just a rough guide. You may find you need to eat less than half (like me) or that you can eat more than half like others.

As you get into it all and read around the forum you may see people talking about carb counting. If you want to understand what that is just ask. It is a powerful weapon that a diabetic can use to control their condition and one that many of us use to great effect.

Good luck and keep asking questions.

Regards

Steve

PS Here's two good links about what's good to eat.

First is the lady doctor who's low carb / low GI recommendations seem to form the basis of what's recommended in Sweden

http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannika/?anchor=my_lowcarb_dietary_programe_in

Second is a good beginners guide to low carb regimes that are excellent for reducing blood sugar levels and losing weight.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
 

daisy1

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Hi Dee and welcome to the forum :)
Here is some information that we give to new members and I think you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to as someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS


Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 

Dee2

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Hello all :)

Thank you so much for all the useful information :) I have ordered the blood glucose monitor and the strip and lancets that was recommended ..I have signed the e-petition too..however no go on getting strips from my doc..I was told they are only prescribed for patient's that take insulin..so I am without until I get the new ones from Amazon
I had a blood test this morning and am awaiting the results so on tenter hooks at the moment..my last HbA1c 4 weeks ago was 15.0 so my gliclazide was increased then

On waking my blood glucose is between 13.0 and 17.0 which raises as soon as I eat..it only goes down if I don't eat..my blood sugars also raise over night? I have only ever had 1 reading that was lower than double figures at 8.5 but that was when I wasn't medicated

I am at a loss as to what to do..I have been seeing a dietician..but she advised me to eat chocolate cake and fruit cake (I didn't) so I haven't gone back..I am losing weight..I am now 10st 8lbs and yes middle aged at 50 my cholesterol has decreased..I don't knowingly have added sugar in anything..I drink no added sugar squash..don't drink fruit juice don't drive so no problem there..I am "experimenting" with different foods advised here..thank you :) and just generally ..thank you for your help :) x
 

xyzzy

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Hi Dee

I would try the low carb stuff for a few days and see if it begins to reduce your levels. What you should be looking for is a gradual improvement day by day. You may find you really need to cut the carbs right down. By right down I really do mean down so try a few days with no bread and just smidgeons of rice, pasta, cereals, potatoes and flour based things. It will be difficult but try eating extra meat, fish eggs, cheese and loads of veg if you are hungry.

The issue is that around 3 in every 100 T2 diagnoses are wrong and what the person really has is a type of diabetes called LADA or Type 1.5. Normally this happens to adults a bit younger than you but apart from that you do seem to meet the criteria. My 42 year old nephew was diagnosed LADA last year with similar symptoms and other initially T2 diagnosed forum members have arrived here and then discovered they are LADA. There is nothing to worry about but you need to get the correct diagnosis as the medication is different.

So if you levels don't appear to respond on a low carb diet after a few days then you should go back to the doctors and do the following.

Ask for a urine test that tests for Ketones
Point out you do not meet the normal criteria for T2 so you are not overweight in fact you have been unexpectedly losing weight and that this is a classic sign of someone who maybe LADA.
Ask for a c-peptide and GAD test to prove the T2 diagnosis is correct as the results from these will diagnose LADA if you have it.
It's important to tell the doctor that you have low carbed for "so many days" and have seen no improvement in levels.

Some doctors understand very little about LADA or low carbing so you may need to go to the docs with your partner or a friend to back you up. If you get nowhere ask to be referred to a specialist at your local hospital.

An alternative to LADA is that your T2 may have progressed to a point that your pancreas is not working to well. If this is the case then the gliclazide will be having very little effect and you will need different medication. In reality the same c-peptide test I mentioned would say if this was the case as it will measure the amount of insulin you produce.

Hopefully it won't come to that as you will begin to see that your low carb diet will reduce your levels but best to have all bases covered.

Let us know how you get on and take care.
 

Dee2

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Hello :)

I'm here to say a big thank you to the members of this forum :wave: Wow..what a difference your advice has made

Over the last few days I have drastically reduced my carb intake..However I had a reading of 18.6 this morning on my new meter and thought.."here we go again!" but 2 hours later my levels had reduced to 9.9! :D this is only the second time in 16 months it has been below 10..so to say I am happy is an understatement

My levels before my evening meal were only 12.5..this is much much reduced to the readings I have been getting which is why I say ONLY 12.5..yes it's only been a few days that I have reduced my carbs..no pasta..no rice and no potatoes..still had 5 grain brown bread occasionally but not lots of

I can express enough how grateful I am to all of you who took the time to reply to me..I am very happy..thank you :D :D :D

May the lower readings continue x x x
 
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