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PMAJ

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Location
Bashley, Hampshire
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Broccoli
Diagnosed Type II April 2003 always had high readings in the mornings (9), of late I've had extremely high readings through-out the day (mid to high teens).
Recently had a change in medication: Metformin2 x 500mg (2 twice a day), Victoza 1.2mg, Gliclazide 1 x 80mg, Simvistatin 1 x 20mg.
Morning readings are anywhere from 8.3 to 12.7. Becoming quite depressed with it, no carbs (occasional small serving of potato), very little fruit intake, healthy eating, healthy lifestyle. Help.
 
Diagnosed Type II April 2003 always had high readings in the mornings (9), of late I've had extremely high readings through-out the day (mid to high teens).
Recently had a change in medication: Metformin2 x 500mg (2 twice a day), Victoza 1.2mg, Gliclazide 1 x 80mg, Simvistatin 1 x 20mg.
Morning readings are anywhere from 8.3 to 12.7. Becoming quite depressed with it, no carbs (occasional small serving of potato), very little fruit intake, healthy eating, healthy lifestyle. Help.
I would urge you to see your Diabetes HCP someone will tag @daisy1 who has some really useful info, even though you are a seasoned T2D there may be something of use
 
Diagnosed Type II April 2003 always had high readings in the mornings (9), of late I've had extremely high readings through-out the day (mid to high teens).
Recently had a change in medication: Metformin2 x 500mg (2 twice a day), Victoza 1.2mg, Gliclazide 1 x 80mg, Simvistatin 1 x 20mg.
Morning readings are anywhere from 8.3 to 12.7. Becoming quite depressed with it, no carbs (occasional small serving of potato), very little fruit intake, healthy eating, healthy lifestyle. Help.
Have you tried the low carb diet? Have you tried changing dinner time and the time you take meds at night? Might be the med is running out, is your dinner too high carb? Nhs nice guidelines dont always help infact they can make it worse, try juggling things round a bit until you find what is right for you.
 
@PMAJ

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members even though you have had diabetes for a long while. There is a lot of information about carbs and a link to the Low Carb Program which you might like to try to help get your levels down. Other members will be along soon with advice for you. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
In answer to your comment on the BG thread, you do not have to stop eating chocolate, that's the good news. The bad news? You will have to dig deeper in your pocket and buy high % stuff. Tesco do an 85% cocoa bar at £1 a pop. And if you can manage the bitter taste Lindt do a 99% bar! but its not cheap. Also try to limit yourself to 1 or 2 squares
 
Thank you, I thought I was alone in this with the damned high count. I also thought what else can I cut from the list of carbs, your ideas have come in handy. Cauliflower Cheese is one of my favourites, bechamel sauce is one thing I'll have to change, the carbs in the flour obviously isn't going to help. Mashed cauliflower as a pizza base, interesting, heard of it as a topping on shepherd/cottage pie, something to try in the winter months but definitely try the pizza base :)
I have given up all the things I like, bread, pasta, rice, chocolate (absolute chocoholic :() and have a couple of bars of 85% in the cupboard with my name on, they'll probably be out of date before I get chance to eat them! Cakes, I trained as a pastry chef and it's one of my subjects at college that I teach, I've tried a number of different recipes without much success. Carrot cake without flour is one I'm going to have to find!
Thanks again, greatly appreciated. Paul. :)
As WalnutFace says above, chocolate's fine, as long as you choose a sugar-free variety or one of the brands with high cocoa content - 85% or more (they tend to have less sugar).
Try this for the bechamel : http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/easy-cheesy-courgettes.99011/
And here for some great baking recipes : http://www.diabeticgoodbaking.com/#uds-search-results
There are also lots of great tips and recipes on the Food, Nutrition and Recipes forum on this website : http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/food-nutrition-and-recipes.3/
Maybe you could start teaching your students about LCHF!
Hope this helps.
Good luck!
 
You might consider asking your doctor for a fasting c-peptide and GAD tests to rule out LADA.
 
In answer to your comment on the BG thread, you do not have to stop eating chocolate, that's the good news. The bad news? You will have to dig deeper in your pocket and buy high % stuff. Tesco do an 85% cocoa bar at £1 a pop. And if you can manage the bitter taste Lindt do a 99% bar! but its not cheap. Also try to limit yourself to 1 or 2 squares
I've got some of the Green & Black's and also the Lindt, both are 85%. Usualy have a couple of squares, haven't had any for a while. I think the 99% might be a little too harsh for me - I know - such a whimp ;)
 
As WalnutFace says above, chocolate's fine, as long as you choose a sugar-free variety or one of the brands with high cocoa content - 85% or more (they tend to have less sugar).
Try this for the bechamel : http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/easy-cheesy-courgettes.99011/
And here for some great baking recipes : http://www.diabeticgoodbaking.com/#uds-search-results
There are also lots of great tips and recipes on the Food, Nutrition and Recipes forum on this website : http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/food-nutrition-and-recipes.3/
Maybe you could start teaching your students about LCHF!
Hope this helps.
Good luck!
Thanks, am ploughing through so many recipes at the moment, thanks for the links, really is greatly appeciated :happy:
 
You might consider asking your doctor for a fasting c-peptide and GAD tests to rule out LADA.
Added to the list of questions. To be honest, I hadn't heard of this until you posted, have done some reading up, might
You might consider asking your doctor for a fasting c-peptide and GAD tests to rule out LADA.
To be honest, until I read your post I'd never heard of it. I've added that to the list to ask the doctor next visit. Thank you.
 
@PMAJ - Hi :). The good thing about this forum is that we all try to help, support one another and there will be plenty of people to give you answers, what one person does not know, another person will probably have that answer. No matter how silly you may think the question is = ask away.:)
 
Since my initial post, things have miraculously improved :)
My readings have dropped by 4 - 5! Yesterday morning I have a reading of 6.2 - that is totally unheard of! I'm so very pleased. I've reduced my food intake further, I've walked even more and my readings (for me) are in the sensible zone. I weighed in this morning at 11st 5lbs (159lbs) - so very pleased with the weight is going, waist size is now 30inches - Yay!
Thanks for all the help/advice/guidance, really is very much appreciated. :happy:
 
@PMAJ - Hi :). The good thing about this forum is that we all try to help, support one another and there will be plenty of people to give you answers, what one person does not know, another person will probably have that answer. No matter how silly you may think the question is = ask away.:)
Thank you
 
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