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New to this - some questions

ianm71

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
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I do not have diabetes
Hi all,

Just got my letter from the doc, saying my hba1c is 6.4 and it's a pre warning of future type 2 - but that's about it.

So have been looking up all the low carb stuff and bought a meter to keep an eye on things and have been doing really well, keeping things 5.7 a few hours after meals.

My question is about fruit - I know some is bad and some are ok, but what about a handful of strawberry and a handful of blueberry mixed with normal Greek yogurt? (2tsp)

Does that sound ok to have?

The other weird thing, is I can go to bed on a 5.7 and wake up with a 6.8.... How does that work?

Thanks for any help :)
Ian
 
Welcome to the forum! I'll tag @daisy1 as she can provide excellent advice when you join the forum.

Personally I can eat Greek yoghurt (Fage total) and some berries without it affecting me. If you are testing yourself you can work out what is good for you.

As for morning FBG high, do you know about Liver dump? That can lead to higher FBG than expected. I'm relatively new myself but someone more knowledgable can explain it.

Best of luck, and remember you are not alone :)
 
Hi and welcome,

Well done for taking the bull by the horns and taking this seriously. :)

Berries with full fat Greek yogurt are usually fine (although in my case not for breakfast). Just try it and test. I can't manage it in the mornings, but later in the day I'm fine with it. If it raises you too much, cut the quantities of the berries until you are happy.

The liver dump is also known as the dawn phenomenon. It's when our livers dump glucose in our blood stream to get us started in the mornings before we eat. It can happen at any time and is a natural occurrence. Stress, illness, exercise, fasting, are all things that can bring it on. There are thousands of threads about it on the forums if you use the search box.
 
@ianm71

Hello Ian and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. Ask as many questions as you need to as someone is always here to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi all,

Just got my letter from the doc, saying my hba1c is 6.4 and it's a pre warning of future type 2 - but that's about it.

So have been looking up all the low carb stuff and bought a meter to keep an eye on things and have been doing really well, keeping things 5.7 a few hours after meals.

My question is about fruit - I know some is bad and some are ok, but what about a handful of strawberry and a handful of blueberry mixed with normal Greek yogurt? (2tsp)

Does that sound ok to have?

The other weird thing, is I can go to bed on a 5.7 and wake up with a 6.8.... How does that work?

Thanks for any help :)
Ian
Hi Ian, Welcome to the site.
Looks like you got the good basic stuff from daisy1, which is an excellent primer.
Now you were wondering about fruit.
One way we can help to manage our carbs and effects on blood levels is by using the GI value of food. GI or Glycemic Index is a relative ranking of carbohydrate in foods according to how they affect blood glucose levels. To put it simply - the lower the better.
If you go to www.glycemicindex.com it will give a full and better explanation than I can. If you use the search facility you can pick out the fruits with the lowest GI (apple for example) and tailor things to your tastes and needs.
Its run by the Glycemic Index Foundation based at the University of Sydney. The database is a world wide reference resource.
It is not 'the' or 'only' thing for diabetics, but it is another great tool in the arsenal to manage blood levels. I think it deserves a higher profile than it gets. The site has a lot more information including recipies and diet advice.
Hope you find it interesting and useful. All the best and regards.
Oops almost forgot - www.whfoods.org if you REALLY want to get into nutrition. Warning - only for the coumpulsive and obsessive.
 
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Hi all,

Just got my letter from the doc, saying my hba1c is 6.4 and it's a pre warning of future type 2 - but that's about it.

So have been looking up all the low carb stuff and bought a meter to keep an eye on things and have been doing really well, keeping things 5.7 a few hours after meals.

My question is about fruit - I know some is bad and some are ok, but what about a handful of strawberry and a handful of blueberry mixed with normal Greek yogurt? (2tsp)

Does that sound ok to have?

The other weird thing, is I can go to bed on a 5.7 and wake up with a 6.8.... How does that work?

Thanks for any help :)
Ian

Congratulations at deciding to get ahead of diabetes and getting to grips with a change of lifestyle:)

All the berries are go low GI/GL. Strawbs about 8g carbs per 100g, rasp about 10g and blueberries, 14g. The best fruit to eat.

Your higher morning BG is likely to be your liver...it's called "Dawn Phenomenon". Your liver "thinks" it has to help by getting you energised for the day so dumps some glucose in readiness for the day. This usually settles down on an LCHF of 50g per day or lower:)



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Thanks all for the help and advice, some good stuff there.

It's going to be a challenge, but if it means I can try and stave off t2 and get more healthy - then it's worth it!
 
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