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shazza222

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
ive been here reading through quite a lot of posts , can you tell me please what is the highest on carbs should i go and i was also said not to eat cheese but there is a lot about cheese posted on here in recipes .
i dont think im eating enough carbs as my level is quite low when i go to bed 4.0 im taking metformin 500g x 2 daily , during the night i wake up and im sweating and feeling a little shackey .
this is very confusing to me at the minute . im trying to find recipes on here to see what carb intake im suppose to be having , all the recipes so far look and sound a little gross to me :mrgreen: , any suggestions , i have an allergy to all types of creams which isn't a bad thing i guess but when using recipes that have cream its hard to substitute . i have taken a look at vivs modified atkins but there was comments on there about being different from British. please any suggestions will be gratefully appreciated , thank you :D :? :?
 
Hi Shazza, there's no "right amount" of carbs. We all have different levels we can manage, and only testing can tell you the amount for you. The comments on cheese are because the NHS have a view on "healthy diets" which means less fats, hence less cheese, but what is healthy for a non-diabetic is not neccesarily healthy for us. Below is some general guidance which might help.
All carbohydrates turn to sugar when we eat them, and no type 2 diabetic on diet only, or on diet and metformin only, can control their blood sugars (BGs) without controlling their carb intake. Even those on strong medication normally choose to control their carb intake to keep the level of medication they take down. The total number of carbs per day you can eat depends on how advanced your diabetes is. It’s perhaps worth starting at about 50% of normal levels for a non-diabetic then adjusting up or down according to how you get on. That’s 150 grams of carbs per day for a man, 125 for a woman. You can read the total carb content of food under “nutritional info” on the packet or wrapping, or look it up on the internet for loose food. Just google “carb content..”
You also need to stop or reduce the bad carbs; that is the starchy ones that make your BG go up quickly.
So obviously no sugar or glucose! But also no white bread, white rice, pasta, flour products like pastry, cake and batter. You can eat a little basmati rice, wholewheat pasta or the tri-color pasta fusilli ones in small quantities. Boiled new potatos are OK but not old pots mashed, boiled or in their jackets. (Roast is not so bad, the fat slows their absorption and conversion to glucose in the blood) Amongst other veg, parsnips are about the worst for BG, and carrots not great but ok in smaller amounts.
Multi grain bread (not wholemeal) is not SO bad, but lots of us eat Burgen soya and linseed bread from tescos and sainsburys, although all bread should be in limited amounts.
All fruit has carbohydrates, and needs to be included in the amounts of carbs you eat in a day. For most people, bananas are about the worst for pushing our BG up and berries (like strawberries, raspberries etc) are the least bad.
No sweeties!
Exercise is important. I tend to exercise about an hour after eating when I know my BG will be peaking. This helps to bring it down quicker and further. I do ten minutes hard work on an exercise machine, but you could run up and down stairs for ten minutes or go for a brisk walk.
Returning to types of food and quantities of carbs - you can only find out how many you can eat by testing. Most type 2’s are not given access to testing equipment, so you should get your own – although try arguing with your Doc that you want to manage to NICE guideline blood sugar levels, and can’t do that without testing! If you have to buy a meter, they are cheap and most manufacturers will give them away for free. They make their money on the strips you have to use! So go for the meter with the cheapest testing strips. Some people test before and after eating, on waking (fasting test) and before bed. But if you have limited strips because of cost, the key to me is testing 2 hours after eating. If your BG is above, say, 7.8 at that stage, you need to cut down on the carb content the next time you have that meal. Test after various different meals and you soon get to see a pattern of what you can and can’t eat, and in what quantities. You can then reduce your testing. I said “below, say, 7.8” because NICE guidelines are below 8.5 but most of us think that’s a little high. 7.8 is the max. level at 2 hours after eating that a non-diabetic normally gets to so is perhaps a better target. Some then set progressively lower targets.
Do ask lots of questions; there is normally an answer on here. The more you get to learn about your diabetes, the better it will be.
Good luck!
 
That difficult to answer,everyone is different, I am doing a very low carb diet, I eat 25-35g carbs per day, high fat diet, cheese and cream, and fats on meat etc. some do just a low carb diet, 135-150g of carbs. You have to see what fits you, weight to loose, maintain, etc. how high you levels are. It's all a game to your level.
 
Grazer said:
Hi Shazza, there's no "right amount" of carbs. We all have different levels we can manage, and only testing can tell you the amount for you. The comments on cheese are because the NHS have a view on "healthy diets" which means less fats, hence less cheese, but what is healthy for a non-diabetic is not neccesarily healthy for us. Below is some general guidance which might help.
All carbohydrates turn to sugar when we eat them, and no type 2 diabetic on diet only, or on diet and metformin only, can control their blood sugars (BGs) without controlling their carb intake. Even those on strong medication normally choose to control their carb intake to keep the level of medication they take down. The total number of carbs per day you can eat depends on how advanced your diabetes is. It’s perhaps worth starting at about 50% of normal levels for a non-diabetic then adjusting up or down according to how you get on. That’s 150 grams of carbs per day for a man, 125 for a woman. You can read the total carb content of food under “nutritional info” on the packet or wrapping, or look it up on the internet for loose food. Just google “carb content..”
You also need to stop or reduce the bad carbs; that is the starchy ones that make your BG go up quickly.
So obviously no sugar or glucose! But also no white bread, white rice, pasta, flour products like pastry, cake and batter. You can eat a little basmati rice, wholewheat pasta or the tri-color pasta fusilli ones in small quantities. Boiled new potatos are OK but not old pots mashed, boiled or in their jackets. (Roast is not so bad, the fat slows their absorption and conversion to glucose in the blood) Amongst other veg, parsnips are about the worst for BG, and carrots not great but ok in smaller amounts.
Multi grain bread (not wholemeal) is not SO bad, but lots of us eat Burgen soya and linseed bread from tescos and sainsburys, although all bread should be in limited amounts.
All fruit has carbohydrates, and needs to be included in the amounts of carbs you eat in a day. For most people, bananas are about the worst for pushing our BG up and berries (like strawberries, raspberries etc) are the least bad.
No sweeties!
Exercise is important. I tend to exercise about an hour after eating when I know my BG will be peaking. This helps to bring it down quicker and further. I do ten minutes hard work on an exercise machine, but you could run up and down stairs for ten minutes or go for a brisk walk.
Returning to types of food and quantities of carbs - you can only find out how many you can eat by testing. Most type 2’s are not given access to testing equipment, so you should get your own – although try arguing with your Doc that you want to manage to NICE guideline blood sugar levels, and can’t do that without testing! If you have to buy a meter, they are cheap and most manufacturers will give them away for free. They make their money on the strips you have to use! So go for the meter with the cheapest testing strips. Some people test before and after eating, on waking (fasting test) and before bed. But if you have limited strips because of cost, the key to me is testing 2 hours after eating. If your BG is above, say, 7.8 at that stage, you need to cut down on the carb content the next time you have that meal. Test after various different meals and you soon get to see a pattern of what you can and can’t eat, and in what quantities. You can then reduce your testing. I said “below, say, 7.8” because NICE guidelines are below 8.5 but most of us think that’s a little high. 7.8 is the max. level at 2 hours after eating that a non-diabetic normally gets to so is perhaps a better target. Some then set progressively lower targets.
Do ask lots of questions; there is normally an answer on here. The more you get to learn about your diabetes, the better it will be.
Good luck!
i do have a testing meter which i got from my doctors and the strips on prescription , since being diagnosed just over a week ago my bg levels have ranged from 9 - 4 for the past couple of days they have been around 4 to 5.3 (bg) levels 4.1 this morning 2 hrs after breakfast and all my meds im on they were 8.0 so very up and down i have only just started taking 2 x metformin 500mg yesterday before that i was on just 1 500mg daily / i eat healthy no sugar no fat so must be carbs up and down , thank you for your reply i will take everything you have suggested on board i was told 4.0 bg was to low to go to bed on
 
shazza222 said:
Grazer said:
Hi Shazza, there's no "right amount" of carbs. We all have different levels we can manage, and only testing can tell you the amount for you. The comments on cheese are because the NHS have a view on "healthy diets" which means less fats, hence less cheese, but what is healthy for a non-diabetic is not neccesarily healthy for us. Below is some general guidance which might help.
All carbohydrates turn to sugar when we eat them, and no type 2 diabetic on diet only, or on diet and metformin only, can control their blood sugars (BGs) without controlling their carb intake. Even those on strong medication normally choose to control their carb intake to keep the level of medication they take down. The total number of carbs per day you can eat depends on how advanced your diabetes is. It’s perhaps worth starting at about 50% of normal levels for a non-diabetic then adjusting up or down according to how you get on. That’s 150 grams of carbs per day for a man, 125 for a woman. You can read the total carb content of food under “nutritional info” on the packet or wrapping, or look it up on the internet for loose food. Just google “carb content..”
You also need to stop or reduce the bad carbs; that is the starchy ones that make your BG go up quickly.
So obviously no sugar or glucose! But also no white bread, white rice, pasta, flour products like pastry, cake and batter. You can eat a little basmati rice, wholewheat pasta or the tri-color pasta fusilli ones in small quantities. Boiled new potatos are OK but not old pots mashed, boiled or in their jackets. (Roast is not so bad, the fat slows their absorption and conversion to glucose in the blood) Amongst other veg, parsnips are about the worst for BG, and carrots not great but ok in smaller amounts.

Multi grain bread (not wholemeal) is not SO bad, but lots of us eat Burgen soya and linseed bread from tescos and sainsburys, although all bread should be in limited amounts.
All fruit has carbohydrates, and needs to be included in the amounts of carbs you eat in a day. For most people, bananas are about the worst for pushing our BG up and berries (like strawberries, raspberries etc) are the least bad.
No sweeties!
Exercise is important. I tend to exercise about an hour after eating when I know my BG will be peaking. This helps to bring it down quicker and further. I do ten minutes hard work on an exercise machine, but you could run up and down stairs for ten minutes or go for a brisk walk.
Returning to types of food and quantities of carbs - you can only find out how many you can eat by testing. Most type 2’s are not given access to testing equipment, so you should get your own – although try arguing with your Doc that you want to manage to NICE guideline blood sugar levels, and can’t do that without testing! If you have to buy a meter, they are cheap and most manufacturers will give them away for free. They make their money on the strips you have to use! So go for the meter with the cheapest testing strips. Some people test before and after eating, on waking (fasting test) and before bed. But if you have limited strips because of cost, the key to me is testing 2 hours after eating. If your BG is above, say, 7.8 at that stage, you need to cut down on the carb content the next time you have that meal. Test after various different meals and you soon get to see a pattern of what you can and can’t eat, and in what quantities. You can then reduce your testing. I said “below, say, 7.8” because NICE guidelines are below 8.5 but most of us think that’s a little high. 7.8 is the max. level at 2 hours after eating that a non-diabetic normally gets to so is perhaps a better target. Some then set progressively lower targets.
Do ask lots of questions; there is normally an answer on here. The more you get to learn about your diabetes, the better it will be.
Good luck!
i do have a testing meter which i got from my doctors and the strips on prescription , since being diagnosed just over a week ago my bg levels have ranged from 9 - 4 for the past couple of days they have been around 4 to 5.3 (bg) levels 4.1 this morning 2 hrs after breakfast and all my meds im on they were 8.0 so very up and down i have only just started taking 2 x metformin 500mg yesterday before that i was on just 1 500mg daily / i eat healthy no sugar no fat so must be carbs up and down , thank you for your reply i will take everything you have suggested on board i was told 4.0 bg was to low to go to bed on

4.0 is lowish, are you eating carbs? If so you should not be eating low fat, fat helps slow the absorption of sugars in your body.

I am on 1 x 500mg and my levels are between 5.8-6.8-6.9.
 
BioHaZarD said:
shazza222 said:
Grazer said:
Hi Shazza, there's no "right amount" of carbs. We all have different levels we can manage, and only testing can tell you the amount for you. The comments on cheese are because the NHS have a view on "healthy diets" which means less fats, hence less cheese, but what is healthy for a non-diabetic is not neccesarily healthy for us. Below is some general guidance which might help.
All carbohydrates turn to sugar when we eat them, and no type 2 diabetic on diet only, or on diet and metformin only, can control their blood sugars (BGs) without controlling their carb intake. Even those on strong medication normally choose to control their carb intake to keep the level of medication they take down. The total number of carbs per day you can eat depends on how advanced your diabetes is. It’s perhaps worth starting at about 50% of normal levels for a non-diabetic then adjusting up or down according to how you get on. That’s 150 grams of carbs per day for a man, 125 for a woman. You can read the total carb content of food under “nutritional info” on the packet or wrapping, or look it up on the internet for loose food. Just google “carb content..”
You also need to stop or reduce the bad carbs; that is the starchy ones that make your BG go up quickly.
So obviously no sugar or glucose! But also no white bread, white rice, pasta, flour products like pastry, cake and batter. You can eat a little basmati rice, wholewheat pasta or the tri-color pasta fusilli ones in small quantities. Boiled new potatos are OK but not old pots mashed, boiled or in their jackets. (Roast is not so bad, the fat slows their absorption and conversion to glucose in the blood) Amongst other veg, parsnips are about the worst for BG, and carrots not great but ok in smaller amounts.

Multi grain bread (not wholemeal) is not SO bad, but lots of us eat Burgen soya and linseed bread from tescos and sainsburys, although all bread should be in limited amounts.
All fruit has carbohydrates, and needs to be included in the amounts of carbs you eat in a day. For most people, bananas are about the worst for pushing our BG up and berries (like strawberries, raspberries etc) are the least bad.
No sweeties!
Exercise is important. I tend to exercise about an hour after eating when I know my BG will be peaking. This helps to bring it down quicker and further. I do ten minutes hard work on an exercise machine, but you could run up and down stairs for ten minutes or go for a brisk walk.
Returning to types of food and quantities of carbs - you can only find out how many you can eat by testing. Most type 2’s are not given access to testing equipment, so you should get your own – although try arguing with your Doc that you want to manage to NICE guideline blood sugar levels, and can’t do that without testing! If you have to buy a meter, they are cheap and most manufacturers will give them away for free. They make their money on the strips you have to use! So go for the meter with the cheapest testing strips. Some people test before and after eating, on waking (fasting test) and before bed. But if you have limited strips because of cost, the key to me is testing 2 hours after eating. If your BG is above, say, 7.8 at that stage, you need to cut down on the carb content the next time you have that meal. Test after various different meals and you soon get to see a pattern of what you can and can’t eat, and in what quantities. You can then reduce your testing. I said “below, say, 7.8” because NICE guidelines are below 8.5 but most of us think that’s a little high. 7.8 is the max. level at 2 hours after eating that a non-diabetic normally gets to so is perhaps a better target. Some then set progressively lower targets.
Do ask lots of questions; there is normally an answer on here. The more you get to learn about your diabetes, the better it will be.
Good luck!
i do have a testing meter which i got from my doctors and the strips on prescription , since being diagnosed just over a week ago my bg levels have ranged from 9 - 4 for the past couple of days they have been around 4 to 5.3 (bg) levels 4.1 this morning 2 hrs after breakfast and all my meds im on they were 8.0 so very up and down i have only just started taking 2 x metformin 500mg yesterday before that i was on just 1 500mg daily / i eat healthy no sugar no fat so must be carbs up and down , thank you for your reply i will take everything you have suggested on board i was told 4.0 bg was to low to go to bed on

4.0 is lowish, are you eating carbs? If so you should not be eating low fat, fat helps slow the absorption of sugars in your body.

I am on 1 x 500mg and my levels are between 5.8-6.8-6.9.
i was told by the nurse not to eat fat and low carbs no sugar although everything she said about everything else was different from the doctor , i only saw the doctor briefly to get metformin and i think he is referring me to see a dietician at the hospital but i dont know when i have not yet seen a dietician . i have also been put on lipitor 20mg 1 x daily at night for my lipids as they were high , so im not sure what to eat my HbA1c level -IFCC standardised 69mmol/mol all i know is the nurse want this figure down to 52 . i am eating carbs but a low amount , fat i don't eat if i have its normally olive light spread which i also would cook with . this is why im so confused , not sure what to eat . im seeing my doctor again next week
 
Read through this forum and also takes Daisy's advice, most of the time the NHS says eat carbs with every meal and are pretty much not for low carbing, which you will see on this site most people do the opposite and it works. I eat real proper butter.
 
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