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Newbie. Need advice.

davemaltby

Newbie
Messages
3
Location
Warrington
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi, My name is Dave and I have recently joined this forum which i am looking forward to using for advice as I am in a bit of a predicament but more of that later.

I am a 67 year old ex soldier living Warrington who has had a quadruple heart by pass and was diagnosed with Diabetes type 2 after the op 12 years ago. I also have asthma and recently diagnosed with epilepsy. This week I have have been diagnosed with Plymyalgia Rheumatica and for which I have been prescribed Prednisolone (Steriods) which are now causing me major problems with my blood sugar levels. I usually average out with a reading of 7 per day but yesterday/last night my highest reading was 27! Having been taking 6x5mg per day of these tablets my GP has now decreased these to 4 per day for the next week then 3 the following week down to 2 until I finally get to one. I am advised that it may take 2-3 years to get this condition under control and I was planning on starting a weight loss diet as of today. This latest news has now knocked me back quite a bit. Would anybody be suffering with the same as I would appreciate any advice. Having taking my latest read it is currently 10.8 but i will be taking the steroid medication within the hour and therefore expect my blood sugar to shoot up again.
 
Hi, My name is Dave and I have recently joined this forum which i am looking forward to using for advice as I am in a bit of a predicament but more of that later.

I am a 67 year old ex soldier living Warrington who has had a quadruple heart by pass and was diagnosed with Diabetes type 2 after the op 12 years ago. I also have asthma and recently diagnosed with epilepsy. This week I have have been diagnosed with Plymyalgia Rheumatica and for which I have been prescribed Prednisolone (Steriods) which are now causing me major problems with my blood sugar levels. I usually average out with a reading of 7 per day but yesterday/last night my highest reading was 27! Having been taking 6x5mg per day of these tablets my GP has now decreased these to 4 per day for the next week then 3 the following week down to 2 until I finally get to one. I am advised that it may take 2-3 years to get this condition under control and I was planning on starting a weight loss diet as of today. This latest news has now knocked me back quite a bit. Would anybody be suffering with the same as I would appreciate any advice. Having taking my latest read it is currently 10.8 but i will be taking the steroid medication within the hour and therefore expect my blood sugar to shoot up again.

Hi Dave,
My name is Alan and I am 74 years old and also an ex sqaddie, Royal Engineers. I live in Manchester and I am also new to this site. We must have been blessed with the same genes, I have asthma and COPD, only diagnosed about 6 months ago), I've had 3 heart attacks including a quad by-pass, I have degeneration of my spinal discs which cause me to stoop, I was diagnosed type2 diabetic about 8 years ago while we were living in Spain, which was discovered when diabetic ulcers broke out on my right foot, these ulcers necessitated the need for stents being put in both thighs to aid circulation - talk about a living wreck!

OK, to your problem. A few weeks ago, I was given a course of Prednisolone, which, like your case, increased my blood sugar count sky high. When I asked the clicic nurse, she said that Prednisolone does send your sugar high, but as it is only a short course, they tolerate it. In your case Dave, I would be inclined to discuss the problem with your doctor because we all know the damage that high sugar can do. Weening yourself off them is definitely the correct way to come off them and as you are only on the full strength for one week, it is probably similar to my case.

Best of luck mate, Alan.
 
Hi Yes what your doctor has told about Polymyalgia is right My husband is 84 and he suffers from it he was on steroids for two years when it went into remission which can happen but there is a high chance that it will come back He was diagnosed with it the first time before he had T2 and his doctor was sure it was the Prednisolone that had caused it as he was not typical for it in any other way He was taken off the steroids after 2 years but recently the Polymyalgia came back and he had to go back on steroids again starting on 30mg which he reduced by one tablet a day each week until he was on just 1mg mg a day the doctor was worried about his sugar levels so he had to be quite strict with his diet which is normally fairly low carb but he had to cut the carbs down a bit more. He was having fortnightly blood tests and his levels were not to bad but were up in the 9's and 10s at first but as he reduced the steroid dose his BG levels went down as a well so the doctor was pleased with that. He is now back to 2mg Prednisolone tablets a day which he has found is the lowest he can go without having any pain.. Now his doctor is worried about his bones now as steroids can make them brittle especially at his age.
 
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@davemaltby - Hello Dave and @Mowgalan - Hello Alan - Welcome to you both to the Forum :).
Tagging @daisy1 who will provide you with some basic information that all new members receive.
 
@davemaltby@Mowgalan

Hello Dave, hello Alan and welcome to the forum :) Here is the basic information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Hi Dave,
My name is Alan and I am 74 years old and also an ex sqaddie, Royal Engineers. I live in Manchester and I am also new to this site. We must have been blessed with the same genes, I have asthma and COPD, only diagnosed about 6 months ago), I've had 3 heart attacks including a quad by-pass, I have degeneration of my spinal discs which cause me to stoop, I was diagnosed type2 diabetic about 8 years ago while we were living in Spain, which was discovered when diabetic ulcers broke out on my right foot, these ulcers necessitated the need for stents being put in both thighs to aid circulation - talk about a living wreck!

OK, to your problem. A few weeks ago, I was given a course of Prednisolone, which, like your case, increased my blood sugar count sky high. When I asked the clicic nurse, she said that Prednisolone does send your sugar high, but as it is only a short course, they tolerate it. In your case Dave, I would be inclined to discuss the problem with your doctor because we all know the damage that high sugar can do. Weening yourself off them is definitely the correct way to come off them and as you are only on the full strength for one week, it is probably similar to my case.

Best of luck mate, Alan.
Hi Alan, many thanks for your kind advice. I have spoken with the doctor and he has advised that my dosage will decrease by one per week down to one over the next few weeks when I feel i require a further blood test to determine my ESR.Having set up a spreadsheet I have determined there is a pattern. I take the steroids after lunch but find that my blood sugar spikes after my evening meal upto about 22 down comes back down in the early hours to 6-10 and remains consistent until evening. The doctor has advised not to be too concerned and not to take more than my standard dosage of diabetes meds. Take Care and best of luck Dave
 
@davemaltby@Mowgalan

Hello Dave, hello Alan and welcome to the forum :) Here is the basic information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
Hi Daisy, thank you for your kind response. I have just started a low carb diet and am using Low Carb Programme Dashboard which i have found extremely useful so hopefully once I get off these **** steroids things will get better.
 
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