Newbie trying Newcastle diet.

The little white hen · Mar 14, 2015

brettsza said:
well my doc has thrown the theory out of the window for ND, he's never heard of it and is not interested in knowing anything about it either. I am only following the forum and based on all the info I get I will start the diet and take it one week at a time and if I think I cant progress it then might stop but I Want to give it a shot.
I have checked optifast meal replacements and there nutrition info is quite close to shake that weight. Tesco and Asda's do there version too but I think there is more calories and more carbs in them

Also on http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/documents/StudyRecipes.pdf

it says carrots are allowed.

Carrots are high in carbs when cooked that's why they are not on my list. My dietician developed and amended the diet after blood tests to make sure I was getting the vitamins and minerals I needed. For example I have 2 tables spoons of pulses or beans (no sauce added) one day and an egg the next for protein. Ask to be referred to a specialist if your doctor is not on board. I use slim fast but they are prone to giving you constipation. I had to increase my fluids to 3-4ltrs a day and now I'm fine. A happy side effect of all the fluid was the hunger was easier to cope with, so that's something for you to consider.

AloeSvea · Mar 14, 2015

The little white hen said:
Carrots are high in carbs when cooked that's why they are not on my list. My dietician developed and amended the diet after blood tests to make sure I was getting the vitamins and minerals I needed. For example I have 2 tables spoons of pulses or beans (no sauce added) one day and an egg the next for protein. Ask to be referred to a specialist if your doctor is not on board. I use slim fast but they are prone to giving you constipation. I had to increase my fluids to 3-4ltrs a day and now I'm fine. A happy side effect of all the fluid was the hunger was easier to cope with, so that's something for you to consider.

I was really surprised to hear how carrots could be on an 'avoid or eliminate' list for T2D. But we are all different, and have different and individual responses and reactions to different foods. And nutrition on a Newcastle Diet is not typical, for sure. But saying that, I thought I might just contribute this plug for the amazing carrot, with its marvellous vitamin A count, along with other nutritional benefits (particularly around eye health, and heart health - something we T2D types have to watch out for!)

Below is from Dr Mercola's website
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/28/carrot-health-benefits.aspx

"Cooking May Increase the Health Benefits of Carrots
Carrots eaten raw are an excellent food, but there is some research showing that cooking them may actually help to boost their nutritional content. Interestingly, one study found that cooked carrots had higher levels of beta-carotene and phenolic acids than raw carrots, and the antioxidant activity continued to increase over a period of four weeks. Adding carrot peels to a carrot puree also boosted antioxidant levels.13

So while I generally recommend eating your vegetables raw or fermented for the most nutrition, carrots may be one case where gentle cooking, such as steaming, is preferred."

The little white hen · Mar 14, 2015

Abraham6 said:
Have you took any consultations at the doctor about your new diet?

I visited my doctor first who new nothing about the ND, but looked into it. She decided that I should be referred to a diabetic specialist at my local hospital and she sent him the details I had given her on the ND so he would have time to research the diet before I met him. He also had not heard of the ND and was concerned about the small number in the research group. He had however discussed it with another specialist in the field of obesity and that specialist had advised that these kinds of diets are used in his field and he has seen improvements in type 2 diabetes. I had already lost 3 stone from being diagnosed in 2011 but still had fat around my middle. He though it was worth a go and he arranged for me to see the dietician the same day as they had already discussed the diet. I had blood tests and the dietician tweaked the diet to make sure I was getting all I required with regards to vitamins etc. I started on 2nd Feb 2015 and have had regular (weekly) check ins with the dietician and blood tests at my doctors to make sure everything is going to plan. There can be some pretty nasty issues with a VLCD and my liver function had to be retested last week to make sure everything is still ok. It's also nice to have the support when you are feeling side effects like being cold (everyday for me) and in the first few days a headache. When someone in the know tells you these are normal you feel more secure. I did the diet to shift stubborn weight and it has done that. I can also safely say it is one of the hardest things I have ever done. My eight weeks are up on the 31st March 2015 and I my dietician has set upa twenty week programme at a local gym they are linked with (for £20) to help me build long lean muscle. We meet next week to discuss what I can and can not eat the first few weeks after I come off the ND and my long term low carb diet after that. This is a complete lifestyle thing for me not a quick fix to get some pounds off so I can eat stuff I know I shouldn't. My Mum had type 2 and never listened to what the doctors said. She lost a toe and ended up in a wheel chair with hardly any mobility and was losing her foot when she died. I don't want any of that if I can help it and this diet is one of the final goals to a healthy and hopefully long life.

Pipp · Mar 14, 2015

The little white hen said:
I visited my doctor first who new nothing about the ND, but looked into it. She decided that I should be referred to a diabetic specialist at my local hospital and she sent him the details I had given her on the ND so he would have time to research the diet before I met him. He also had not heard of the ND and was concerned about the small number in the research group. He had however discussed it with another specialist in the field of obesity and that specialist had advised that these kinds of diets are used in his field and he has seen improvements in type 2 diabetes. I had already lost 3 stone from being diagnosed in 2011 but still had fat around my middle. He though it was worth a go and he arranged for me to see the dietician the same day as they had already discussed the diet. I had blood tests and the dietician tweaked the diet to make sure I was getting all I required with regards to vitamins etc. I started on 2nd Feb 2015 and have had regular (weekly) check ins with the dietician and blood tests at my doctors to make sure everything is going to plan. There can be some pretty nasty issues with a VLCD and my liver function had to be retested last week to make sure everything is still ok. It's also nice to have the support when you are feeling side effects like being cold (everyday for me) and in the first few days a headache. When someone in the know tells you these are normal you feel more secure. I did the diet to shift stubborn weight and it has done that. I can also safely say it is one of the hardest things I have ever done. My eight weeks are up on the 31st March 2015 and I my dietician has set upa twenty week programme at a local gym they are linked with (for £20) to help me build long lean muscle. We meet next week to discuss what I can and can not eat the first few weeks after I come off the ND and my long term low carb diet after that. This is a complete lifestyle thing for me not a quick fix to get some pounds off so I can eat stuff I know I shouldn't. My Mum had type 2 and never listened to what the doctors said. She lost a toe and ended up in a wheel chair with hardly any mobility and was losing her foot when she died. I don't want any of that if I can help it and this diet is one of the final goals to a healthy and hopefully long life.

If only all GPs and health professionals were this good!
Also, credit to you @The little white hen , for researching diligently, and making good use of the knowledge gained. Also for staying with the programme despite finding it difficult. It is all too easy to sit back and let the 'professionals' manage our health. So we need to work with the medics even though this often means educating them in new developments. We have to take ownership of our own wellbeing!

AndBreathe · Mar 14, 2015

Flashtash2014 said:
Yep Breetsza I made a few tubs of home made curry and freezed them along with some chappatis too having one tonight in fact had normal basmati rice too but have discovered slim rice from Holland and barret tastes just like normal rice but with vertically no calories and very little carbs too. Breadwise too scared to try that for the time being but can't put down the tub of meridian peanut butter which is just peanuts and nothing else added great for energy release for the morning run

It may also take you a brief while for your body to properly reacquaint itself with carb digestion.

Are you familiar with the Plant Breathe theory of enzyme lag, whereby the body routinely generates the enzymes and quantities to digest the same food as it had yesterday, or certainly the most immediate days past. When carbs (and other elements, I'm sure) are reintroduced, or increased not enough enzymes are produced straight away, and can lead to a few days of elevated scores. Provided your body can physically produce the enzymes, and your body is sufficiently righted (by de-fatting or beta cell reawakening/regeneration), your numbers are likely to moderate a bit in a few days. That's why I've always bleated on about not being toooooo alarmed by initially elevated scores. (Sorry if you remembered all of that and I'm sounding like a cracked record.)

AloeSvea · Mar 15, 2015

The little white hen said:
I started on 2nd Feb 2015 and have had regular (weekly) check ins with the dietician and blood tests at my doctors to make sure everything is going to plan. There can be some pretty nasty issues with a VLCD and my liver function had to be retested last week to make sure everything is still ok. It's also nice to have the support when you are feeling side effects like being cold (everyday for me) and in the first few days a headache. When someone in the know tells you these are normal you feel more secure. I did the diet to shift stubborn weight and it has done that. I can also safely say it is one of the hardest things I have ever done. My eight weeks are up on the 31st March 2015 and I my dietician has set upa twenty week programme at a local gym they are linked with (for £20) to help me build long lean muscle. We meet next week to discuss what I can and can not eat the first few weeks after I come off the ND and my long term low carb diet after that. This is a complete lifestyle thing for me not a quick fix to get some pounds off so I can eat stuff I know I shouldn't. My Mum had type 2 and never listened to what the doctors said. She lost a toe and ended up in a wheel chair with hardly any mobility and was losing her foot when she died. I don't want any of that if I can help it and this diet is one of the final goals to a healthy and hopefully long life.

I really appreciate you sharing this, Little White Hen.

brettsza · Mar 15, 2015

Hi all

@The little white hen you are coming to and end soon. Such a long journey for you.
Really hats off to your efforts.
Time just flies but these 8 weeks I am sure that they are not that easy
@AloeSvea are you going to continue after 8 weeks?

The little white hen · Mar 15, 2015

Pipp said:
If only all GPs and health professionals were this good!
Also, credit to you @The little white hen , for researching diligently, and making good use of the knowledge gained. Also for staying with the programme despite finding it difficult. It is all too easy to sit back and let the 'professionals' manage our health. So we need to work with the medics even though this often means educating them in new developments. We have to take ownership of our own wellbeing!

Its hard lesson the learn but so true. I feel in control of my life and health, that's a nice feeling and something to move forward with. Thanks for your support. It really does help on the low days.

Clivethedrive · Mar 15, 2015

Congratulations! The little white hen,for doing it under supervision and looking to the long term :) , an inspiration ,happy applause:)

Glitterbritches · Mar 15, 2015

Can't believe it took me this long to find this thread. I'm doing pretty much exactly what you are doing, and we started at close to the same time. I'm six weeks in - best of luck!

Pipp · Mar 15, 2015

The little white hen said:
Its hard lesson the learn but so true. I feel in control of my life and health, that's a nice feeling and something to move forward with. Thanks for your support. It really does help on the low days.

Believe me, @The little white hen , and the others who are Newcastle Dieting, I am getting just as much support from all of you.
Until recently, I was only aware of @Andrew Colvin , @paulins and myself who had stayed the course and successfully achieved the goal of reversing T2. There has often been scepticism from others.

As far as I am aware, I am the only one in here who has been 3+ years with non-diabetic BG levels. It sounds unlikely, I know, as I was diagnosed 10 years ago, and it was 6 years after diagnosis that I followed Newcastle method. Also, I am still very overweight.
So, it is good to know that the small group of successful ND followers is about to double in number. It can only encourage others when they read of success.

For myself, your progress is encouraging me to consider having another stint on ND. Not, this time to control BG levels. They so far have remained fine. No matter what I eat. It is just that I am aware that if I do not lose more weight I am tempting diabetic levels to return.

Keep reporting. That goes for all of you. @Flashtash2014 , @Glitterbritches , @The little white hen, @AloeSvea , @brettsza . Also the old hands at this, @Andrew Colvin and @paulins. We are an elite group.

(Apologies if I missed anyone, please correct me if I have)

Glitterbritches · Mar 15, 2015

Pipp said:
Believe me, @The little white hen , and the others who are Newcastle Dieting, I am getting just as much support from all of you.
Until recently, I was only aware of @Andrew Colvin , @paulins and myself who had stayed the course and successfully achieved the goal of reversing T2. There has often been scepticism from others.

As far as I am aware, I am the only one in here who has been 3+ years with non-diabetic BG levels. It sounds unlikely, I know, as I was diagnosed 10 years ago, and it was 6 years after diagnosis that I followed Newcastle method. Also, I am still very overweight.
So, it is good to know that the small group of successful ND followers is about to double in number. It can only encourage others when they read of success.

For myself, your progress is encouraging me to consider having another stint on ND. Not, this time to control BG levels. They so far have remained fine. No matter what I eat. It is just that I am aware that if I do not lose more weight I am tempting diabetic levels to return.

Keep reporting. That goes for all of you. @Flashtash2014 , @Glitterbritches , @The little white hen, @AloeSvea , @brettsza . Also the old hands at this, @Andrew Colvin and @paulins. We are an elite group.

(Apologies if I missed anyone, please correct me if I have)

I, for one, can say that reading your story in particular is what convinced me to start. The path towards the Newcastle diet for me (over six weeks in as of last Thursday!) went

1. Started researching T2 immediately upon diagnosis
2. Found a video presentation discussing the two-stage theory of T2, and discussing a "cure" for the previously incurable disease
3. Reading the Newcastle study one night (with my iPad in my lap, looking up every other term (what the hell is glycemic clamping?) AFETR finding Doughtery's story
4. Researching VLCDs like a madman
5. Finding this forum, and Pipp's stories in particular (along with Andrew and someone else)
6. That next day having a follow up doctor appointment, and talking about it with him(and bringing the Newcastle printouts, as I correctly assumed he would have never heard of it.
7. Getting started, before even fully knowing what I was getting myself into, only knowing that I had to try.

The difference between "let's research this to death" and "3-2-1 jump!" Was finding Pipp's forum posts. If not for those posts, I truly honestly believe I would still weigh 250 pounds, have unhealthy fasting glucose levels, and would still be wondering "what about that Newcastle diet? Eh, maybe someday."

I cannot express my gratitude enough - the naysayers had my ear until I read your story. And that was what prompted me (four days in) to chronically my own journey, first in a reddit "diary" and then later (when I workd up the courage) to join this forum and start a blog here. I hope everyone who is sharing theirs stories continues to do so, and that more join in . . . and that someday, more than anything, the whole world adopts a f&$#ing universal method for reporting blood glucose values

But seriously, thanks.

Pipp · Mar 15, 2015

Glitterbritches said:
I, for one, can say that reading your story in particular is what convinced me to start. The path towards the Newcastle diet for me (over six weeks in as of last Thursday!) went

1. Started researching T2 immediately upon diagnosis
2. Found a video presentation discussing the two-stage theory of T2, and discussing a "cure" for the previously incurable disease
3. Reading the Newcastle study one night (with my iPad in my lap, looking up every other term (what the hell is glycemic clamping?) AFETR finding Doughtery's story
4. Researching VLCDs like a madman
5. Finding this forum, and Pipp's stories in particular (along with Andrew and someone else)
6. That next day having a follow up doctor appointment, and talking about it with him(and bringing the Newcastle printouts, as I correctly assumed he would have never heard of it.
7. Getting started, before even fully knowing what I was getting myself into, only knowing that I had to try.

The difference between "let's research this to death" and "3-2-1 jump!" Was finding Pipp's forum posts. If not for those posts, I truly honestly believe I would still weigh 250 pounds, have unhealthy fasting glucose levels, and would still be wondering "what about that Newcastle diet? Eh, maybe someday."

I cannot express my gratitude enough - the naysayers had my ear until I read your story. And that was what prompted me (four days in) to chronically my own journey, first in a reddit "diary" and then later (when I workd up the courage) to join this forum and start a blog here. I hope everyone who is sharing theirs stories continues to do so, and that more join in . . . and that someday, more than anything, the whole world adopts a f&$#ing universal method for reporting blood glucose values

But seriously, thanks.

Oh, wow!
That emphasises the importance of getting our stories out there.

Mr Pipp is wondering why I am sitting here with the Ipad, with tears streaming down my face.

All power to you @Glitterbritches , et al.

Flashtash2014 · Mar 15, 2015

Glitterbritches said:
I, for one, can say that reading your story in particular is what convinced me to start. The path towards the Newcastle diet for me (over six weeks in as of last Thursday!) went

1. Started researching T2 immediately upon diagnosis
2. Found a video presentation discussing the two-stage theory of T2, and discussing a "cure" for the previously incurable disease
3. Reading the Newcastle study one night (with my iPad in my lap, looking up every other term (what the hell is glycemic clamping?) AFETR finding Doughtery's story
4. Researching VLCDs like a madman
5. Finding this forum, and Pipp's stories in particular (along with Andrew and someone else)
6. That next day having a follow up doctor appointment, and talking about it with him(and bringing the Newcastle printouts, as I correctly assumed he would have never heard of it.
7. Getting started, before even fully knowing what I was getting myself into, only knowing that I had to try.

The difference between "let's research this to death" and "3-2-1 jump!" Was finding Pipp's forum posts. If not for those posts, I truly honestly believe I would still weigh 250 pounds, have unhealthy fasting glucose levels, and would still be wondering "what about that Newcastle diet? Eh, maybe someday."

I cannot express my gratitude enough - the naysayers had my ear until I read your story. And that was what prompted me (four days in) to chronically my own journey, first in a reddit "diary" and then later (when I workd up the courage) to join this forum and start a blog here. I hope everyone who is sharing theirs stories continues to do so, and that more join in . . . and that someday, more than anything, the whole world adopts a f&$#ing universal method for reporting blood glucose values

But seriously, thanks.

I think you have summed it up there in a nutshell GlitterBritches. I didn't want to go through the rest of my life on medication and then to remember to take it or if I hadn't for it to increase cause I can bet you it won't be reduced. Having seen both parents suffer with this condition I don't like labelling it a disease as I think most people who are on this forum know that it can be controlled and to lead a for filling normal life whatever that is

I decided to nip it in the bud after a couple of months after diagnosis more to prove my gp wrong he gave me his support but with scepticism at least I had the support of my DN. I still think though this was probably the best thing that could have happened to me with the diagnosis but what a wake up call.

Some great and supportive people on this forum let's keep it up and encourage and support others on this road to shall I say it recovery or cure oh hell with it I have done now. So spread the word let's beat this and we will beat this

Flashtash2014 · Mar 15, 2015

Pipp said:
Oh, wow!
That emphasises the importance of getting our stories out there.

Mr Pipp is wondering why I am sitting here with the Ipad, with tears streaming down my face.

All power to you @Glitterbritches , et al.

Me too I'm so proud of us all

Pipp · Mar 15, 2015

Right guys.

All it takes is for those of us successful to keep repeating on here what has been achieved.

I thought there was a danger of becoming boring by repeating my story. However, with hindsight, realise that although many regular posters may yawn at the repetition, there will be so many more ( who may not even be members) who could be reading.

I have to say that when I first read about ND in 2011, I was desperate to find a solution that would not involve surgery. It sounded too good to be true, as research was at very early stage, but I felt it was worth 8 weeks of my life. Glad I did.

brettsza · Mar 15, 2015

@Pipp you are an inspiration you can't be boring or repetitive. Believe me loads of people look upto you and others who have done or doing ND. Not just everyone doing nd but so much info is available and so many people trying to help everyone out unconditionally, its absolutely brilliant.
This forum would have saved so many lives.

Pipp · Mar 15, 2015

brettsza said:
@Pipp you are an inspiration you can't be boring or repetitive. Believe me loads of people look upto you and others who have done or doing ND. Not just everyone doing nd but so much info is available and so many people trying to help everyone out unconditionally, its absolutely brilliant.
This forum would have saved so many lives.

Seriously? It is not that much of a big deal.

Think about it. You have a chance to possibly be rid of medication and a life limiting condition, or at least delay progress of T2. You set aside 8 weeks to reduce calorie intake, then during that 8 weeks you consider how you need to nourish yourself with a healthy diet and exercise regime. You plan and make changes necessary. It may not work for everyone, but surely it is worth investing 8 weeks in your own wellbeing.

I do think, in the main, that this forum is generally supportive though. It is a big responsibility to think that the posts will be read by many more than just the members here.

moonchip · Mar 15, 2015

I'm just at the end of week 2 of the ND now and yes , though I'm 'enjoying' it, it can be difficult -- especially at work when everyone else is having kebabs, curry, KFC, pizza, whatever

I was up at 4am this morning, had my first shake by quarter past (incl a table spoon of oil for my liver ie, gallstone prevention, and 2 tablespoons of milled flaxseed) started work at 05:30 - my lunch was just after 1 pm (bottled science diet shake, 206 kcal) and I'm yet to have my 200 grams of green and evening shake.

So far in 2 weeks my trousers have come down from a 46" waist to a 40" waist, extra holes have been punched in my belt and I'm soon to buy a size 38" waist pair of trousers.

Energy levels are better than they've ever been - I'm gonna be on about a 19-hour day today by the time I get to bed, and no lagging yet - just prepping my wife's tea for when she gets home ........ I may not be able to eat it but I enjoy making it.

To anyone thinking of trying the ND, my best advice is stop putting it off and go for it !!!!

Eight weeks to potentially change your life ....... its a no-brainer

Pipp · Mar 15, 2015

moonchip said:
I'm just at the end of week 2 of the ND now and yes , though I'm 'enjoying' it, it can be difficult -- especially at work when everyone else is having kebabs, curry, KFC, pizza, whatever

I was up at 4am this morning, had my first shake by quarter past (incl a table spoon of oil for my liver ie, gallstone prevention, and 2 tablespoons of milled flaxseed) started work at 05:30 - my lunch was just after 1 pm (bottled science diet shake, 206 kcal) and I'm yet to have my 200 grams of green and evening shake.

So far in 2 weeks my trousers have come down from a 46" waist to a 40" waist, extra holes have been punched in my belt and I'm soon to buy a size 38" waist pair of trousers.

Energy levels are better than they've ever been - I'm gonna be on about a 19-hour day today by the time I get to bed, and no lagging yet - just prepping my wife's tea for when she gets home ........ I may not be able to eat it but I enjoy making it.

To anyone thinking of trying the ND, my best advice is stop putting it off and go for it !!!!

Eight weeks to potentially change your life ....... its a no-brainer

Sorry, didn't mean to miss you off the list @moonchip.

You are doing well, too.

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