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Newbie trying Newcastle diet.


Just one more point on this my GP and Specialist had to look up the diet and research associated with it. So, they can be brought on board if you show willing. My dietician had been asked about it before but felt the ND needed to be tailored a little more to each person not just seen as a cure all for everyone.
 
brettsza said:
What are your levels like @The little white hen are you testing at all
How are you @Flashtash2014 when is your last day
@AloeSvea how is your diet going
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Hey there brettsza!

I am on Day 35, last day of Week 5, today. (Yeah - I am counting! Boy am I counting!)

But I am totally sick of being hungry. I am hungry all the time. I am only not hungry when I am asleep, or out on a walk. (A good reason to walk!)

Sadly for me, I actually believed the ND commentators who said that the appetite is suppressed, usually around day 3. If I wasn't so hungry, I would write to Prof Taylor and tell him that including that photo of the smiling NDieter was false representation (in a youtube lecture in Nov 2014 I think it was). I have seen that photo a few times now - and I think he is smiling - not because the diet is so easy to be on, as reported, but because of the camera, and the lovely scientist /nurse taking the insulin or BG! I would bet my sorry hungry life on it! Lol. I'm putting it down to cultural differences - and the infamous Brit thing of understatement. (Understatement= Being hungry for 8 weeks is OK because of the high levels of relief at bringing down BG levels to healthier ones, and at worst it is really only "bothersome", and the worst aspect of it is the sachets and the one vege dish on the classic ND is merely "boring". My translation from Brit-speak to what I REALLY think it is could be offensive? So I won't include it!) (And my long long dead English great grandmother is looking over my shoulder right now, telling me that when in Diabetes.co.uk - understatement and politeness is the rule!) (The fact that my dead in 1940-something English grandmother is looking over my shoulder may have something to do with my......hunger!)

I imagined, when I was imagining being on this diet for only four weeks (I couldn't cope with the idea that I would be on it for the whole 8 weeks!), that ketosis would kick in, that satiety would be increased, miraculously making hunger go away, or greatly decrease it, (I have a chart on my fridge saying this) and I would sail off into the ND sunset... appetite well suppressed. Well, my appetite is NOT suppressed. Not at all! I would laugh, but I am too hungry to laugh.

I know - I am not too hungry to not be keying. But I am really tired of looking up calorie content of food. I am really tired of keying in my calorie content every time I eat, and I am really tired of pricking my fingers. (But honestly - I really can't get my head around doing the ND without testing one's blood glucose levels. How do you know if it's working otherwise?!)

But yes - if I had been getting FBG at the levels I get every morning now, over 5 weeks ago, I would have been on cloud 9.

But you know what I am going to say - I am too hungry to be on cloud 9!
 

I feel the pain too. I have been hungry from day one and at the end of week three its manageable but still there. The boring veg do nothing to stimulate your appetite. The positives are it working and fat is off around the middle and therefore the organs. I have never prick tested my levels so its normal for me. I know they are better by how I feel (apart from hungry). The support helps and I will push through it and get to the end as I am sure you will too. Keep strong.
 
@AloeSvea @The little white hen I understand what you are saying i completely do, I am not in your shoes at the moment but doing LCHF i feel so hungry at times that I am scared of the ND and how will i control my hunger. Sometimes I feel like what the hell has happened here in my life, I am absolutely passionate about food and cooking, I dont eat that much and never did but I love cooking, I was infact thinking of changing my career from IT to cooking coz I just love it so much, but that's all down the drain and ND is on my mind at the moment. I am really hoping I can follow you and your strengths, I have changed my diet a lot in last 2 weeks in anticipation of getting on the ND soon, only eating boiled veggies and protiens and little carbs.
Since I am newly diagnosed about 7 months, bread and rice is already completely out, not had it since months now.
Not a lot left that I can throw out of my diet now but i am prepared to get on the nd diet sooner rather than later.
 
brettsza said:
What are your levels like @The little white hen are you testing at all
How are you @Flashtash2014 when is your last day
@AloeSvea how is your diet going
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Hi Brettzsa my last day is Sunday my DN yesterday decided to take me off the Gliclazide said I didn't need it as my BG levels were in the 4s and lowest being 2.6 but I felt fine. I was so happy still loosing a bit of weight too. As a treat today I drank a whole 2 litre bottle of coke zero first fizzy drink in 5 months and man it tasted so good. We discussed my next bloods in April and an ultrasound to see what has altered around my body so at the moment everything is going to plan and I'm on cloud 9
 

To be positive I have lost fat from the place it is a problem around my middle 2 1/2" from belly and 1 1/2" from waist in just three weeks. All I would say is I think the ND is a diet that should be done ONLY with medical advice. If you read my notes or blog you will see I needed some protein to be added to my diet by my dietician. It is hard, but we are all here to support each other, the way the world should be.
 

So happy for you. I still have 5 weeks to go but results good so far.
 

I don't want to rain on your BBQ, but some of that very initial loss around the mid section will be due to the massive reduction in your intake, and the nature of your current regime. Just removing the bulk of food will result in a skinning up, without necessarily a material impact on body composition.

I'm sure you will have lost some weight and mass, but don't expect that sort of shrinkage to continue in that vein. Of course, that just my view.

Good luck with it, and well done for sticking with it.
 

I'm sure your right but I also think the core exercises I have been given will help. They are hard enough when I'm doing them.
 
I don't know if you feel hunger because you are eating real food. The version I did was no food at all, just the replacement drinks or biscuits, and water or tea or coffee with no milk. Truthfully no hunger.
 

The veg don't have to be boring. Use herbs and spices to make them interesting.
 
The little white hen said:
I only have ten veg on my list and adding herbs is something I do all the time. The problem is cauliflower is still cauliflower even with herbs and spices.
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You could do a stir fry, with the cauli grated, "as rice"? That way, it's a great carrier of flavour and a decent rice substitute, in my view.
 
Pipp said:
I don't know if you feel hunger because you are eating real food. The version I did was no food at all, just the replacement drinks or biscuits, and water or tea or coffee with no milk. Truthfully no hunger.
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Yes, I wondered about that too. Our Prof Taylor said that being on meal replacement sachets meant that hunger was lowered - but as you know I was also wondering if that was just classic English understatement.

I hear you though! And I read your post referring to the 'minor inconvenience' you experienced on the 8 weeks on the ND - and the 3rd or 4th time I read it, I began to believe you. And now the 'Truthfully no hunger' I just have to accept that it was true! And maybe that guy in Prof Taylor's pic really WAS smiling from lack of hunger, lol. It was really just me who was not smiling! At least not that day. But I'm smiling now. (I just had dinner. A very very small dinner, where I had to weigh the pork chop, and cut it into a pretty small piece - but it WAS a piece of pork chop. Yum.)

I wonder also if it is plain old metabolism differences. I have always had a very hearty appetite, and I am very sensitive to food and exercise, as both can make a dramatic impact. Maybe after 5 weeks my body just wanted to have 'a Feed me' hissy fit? (And I am ah, rather highly expressive.) (I calmed down after dinner. And I went to sleep early - which is a major way I deal with supper-less evenings.)

Before doing my deviated ND I was most afraid of the hunger. The other day when I posted on my hunger - that was the worst experience I have had of it - apart from when I started with a water-only four-day fast - the third and fourth day of that was pretty intense! So intense I was frankly relieved to start on the deviated ND. (800-900 calories was WAY better than nothing!) (I got over it after a week.)

My partner was also most afraid of what I would be like hungry! . But actually - compared to the mood swing roller coaster ride I had been on in the couple of years previously when neither of us knew I had T2D (and the prediabetic period we must have endured also) - bearing with me hungry is a walk in the park in comparison! When I had become diabetic but didn't know it, I lost friends (due to my bad moods), and now, even though I am really hungry - I am making them again. I smile again. I even sing when I walk - which is what I used to be like before I lost my health. So you see what I am saying - the hunger is way better than madly uncontrolled blood glucose levels. And there is an end in sight to the hunger. Thank goodness. Amazing that blood glucose levels can affect one so much - but high blood glucose levels clearly affect me, as do prediabetic-normal ones (as they are now). Or so it seems to me at any rate.
 

I think that being aware of how hunger makes you feel before you go on the ND is a great place to begin! Then you can have coping mechanisms in place ready to put into action when the hunger pangs press upon you. For me - it's the usual types of things (which normally work! If one can call an ND a normal anything!) - walks, TV, movies, love - fun stuff that occupies one's mind - that kind of thing. (And planning dinner parties you'll have when it's all over? Especially for a foodie like you!) (I'm a foodie - but only in the eating department! I have had to learn to cook anew, since being diagnosed, so I can control the ingredients.)

Will your ND be a classic one? ie - meal replacement sachets? Or will you do a deviation? (I was going to say - if you are using real food, just the mini portions that that entails - you could put together a 'Tiny meal on the deviated ND cookbook'! With calorie counts and everything. Good way to occupy your mind with food while coping with any hunger? And I'd buy it for sure! .)
 
I can honestly say that on the shakes have never felt hungry at all
 
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