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Newbie trying Newcastle diet.

AndBreathe said:
Do you have a transition plan to take you from ND to your new normalised eating plan?

If so, what is it, and how long do you intend the transitional period to be? And what checks and balances are you allowing yourself for that period of normalisation? I'm thinking of things like what you expect the scales to show in the early days of re normalising your food intake?
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I have a 2 to 3 month transition plan gradually increasing my calorie intake but keeping carbs to a minimum then a planned day of complete gorging of foods I shouldn't be eating to see what tole it takes on the body. I am expecting some weight gain in the early stages but that's to be expected then hopefully the weight be level out.
 
Flashtash2014 said:
I have a 2 to 3 month transition plan gradually increasing my calorie intake but keeping carbs to a minimum then a planned day of complete gorging of foods I shouldn't be eating to see what tole it takes on the body. I am expecting some weight gain in the early stages but that's to be expected then hopefully the weight be level out.
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Beware the gorging. I took that to extreme one day, and it became a bit of a hard habit to break. BG stayed fine, but the weight gain was alarming.
 
Pipp said:
Beware the gorging. I took that to extreme one day, and it became a bit of a hard habit to break. BG stayed fine, but the weight gain was alarming.
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That's why I'm well over my weight loss at present so the extra lbs lost now should compensate that
 
Flashtash2014 said:
That's why I'm well over my weight loss at present so the extra lbs lost now should compensate that
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Thats good, but part of my reason for highlighting is that having got rid of the need to eat carbs, once I started to eat them again it was hard to stop. For some that could cause problems such as increase in BG. I would hate it if that happened to anyone after ND as I know the sort of commitment it takes to complete a stint of ND.
 
Pipp said:
Thats good, but part of my reason for highlighting is that having got rid of the need to eat carbs, once I started to eat them again it was hard to stop. For some that could cause problems such as increase in BG. I would hate it if that happened to anyone after ND as I know the sort of commitment it takes to complete a stint of ND.
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You are absolutely right Pipp but it's only for one day as an experiment to gauge how things may or may not have changed internally
 
Flashtash2014 said:
You are absolutely right Pipp but it's only for one day as an experiment to gauge how things may or may not have changed internally
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I did a day of high carbing and managed to get back to low carbing without too much trouble. Mind you, I didn't go crazy - just a day of eating to the high carb/low fat healthy plate.
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
I did a day of high carbing and managed to get back to low carbing without too much trouble. Mind you, I didn't go crazy - just a day of eating to the high carb/low fat healthy plate.
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Ok. I hold my hands up. Some forum users had suggested that I hadn't reversed my T2, just controlled it well by low carbing. Red rag to a bull. I ate huge disgusting quantities of junk food just to prove a point. Stuff like cheap chocolate and ice cream and a chip butty. Stuff I would not normally choose. Trouble was my one day of high carb ran for about 6 weeks because that stuff is addictive.

That is why I am advising caution after ND. By all means test to dee if you can eat high carb foods if you choose to, but be aware the pitfalls.
 
Pipp said:
Ok. I hold my hands up. Some forum users had suggested that I hadn't reversed my T2, just controlled it well by low carbing. Red rag to a bull. I ate huge disgusting quantities of junk food just to prove a point. Stuff like cheap chocolate and ice cream and a chip butty. Stuff I would not normally choose. Trouble was my one day of high carb ran for about 6 weeks because that stuff is addictive.

That is why I am advising caution after ND. By all means test to dee if you can eat high carb foods if you choose to, but be aware the pitfalls.
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Definitely good advice.
 
that's my biggest problem. i cannot eat in moderation particularly when it comes to carbs. for almost 40 years, just thought i was weak, no self control. after starting LCHF, found it easier just to dump the lot. i am 100% certain that if i start eating carbs again, i would not be able to resist gorging...
 
msmi1970 said:
that's my biggest problem. i cannot eat in moderation particularly when it comes to carbs. for almost 40 years, just thought i was weak, no self control. after starting LCHF, found it easier just to dump the lot. i am 100% certain that if i start eating carbs again, i would not be able to resist gorging...
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There is quite a bit of talk about carbohydrate addiction in the nutrition and 'alternative nutrition' circles these days isn't there? I've seen a couple of very convincing 'Addictive food' segments on youtube (I can rustle the links up and post once I've woken up properly today.) The obvious ones from processed foods - crisps/potato chips - with added addictive substances like msg and related products, but also 'just' carbs like potatoes and so on. When I read somewhere that the body determines how much insulin it will release - I can't remember which phase - based on your food intake of 1-3 days previously I think it was - so if you have been eating carbs, but don't eat so much or stop, then you will have a carbohydrate craving (to meet your level of insulin release) (and most of us are in here because we release too much insulin, and over time). (We could just say we have highly sensitive pancreases? To carbs and sugars.) It made sense to me, about carb cravings.
 
AloeSvea said:
Don't forget about me! lol. This is my first day of week 4 on a deviated ND. (I know I am eating food - but trust me - I am still WELL hungry! lol)
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I wish that I had done my version of the ND diet :)
 
It was too early for me - I meant week 5. Today is the beginning of Week 5.

I can't say I am too hungry, as yesterday was the end of the halfway mark for me - which coincided with a cultural event in the country I am living in - where they have a tradition of eating an incredibly high caloric bun (or two or three) (or more, and now in the days leading up to the celebration day) (not me! honest! Not semi-starving me!) in the day before Lent - a hangover from when this country was Catholic.

Anyway, I have had a big pink note on my bedroom wall for weeks now with 'Fat Tuesday! The end of the halfway mark!' written on it. With a food reward promise of a bun. I WAS going to have the real thing, wheat grain white flour, cream, sugar sweetened marzipan and all, and do a BG experiment and see how my BG took to it. (Yeah! All in the name of science and this experiment with my own body! Ahem.)

But I watched a fabulous youtube segment by William Davis on living wheatlessly ('Wheatlessness: a 21st Century Health Strategy'), and realised, I really didn't want to do a leaky gut /carb hit thing to myself. So back into google search, and back into the kitchen, and I made some modified paleo versions of this bun (ie nut flours, coconut oil, dates and a carrot for sweetening, and dressed with yummy organic cream. Oh god.)

So I had the day off from calorie counting, too, as part of the celebration. No - Professor Taylor would very possibly have been horrified. (But Prof Taylor also said you can't go to the pub when on a VLCD - and I go to the pub at least once a week and drink water, carbonated water and lime for a real treat, and coffee if it is early enough. So you know. Strokes. Horses. Deviated NDs.) Even went out to lunch as part of the celebration, and ate two small potatoes. Egad! (Along with fish and a lot of salad.)

(I do understand that Prof Taylor was only trying to say that NDs are not to be gone into lightly, without realising what a huge effect it will have on your life while you are doing it. And quite right. But for me it is not about relinquishing the pub-going. For me it is about constantly feeling hungry! And not having the energy I usually do.) (And a tip on going to the pub and remaining alcohol-free - I smell the whiskey. Very nice!)

So I had a day off from my deviated ND, without going too crazy, unless the two small paleo buns with lashings of cream is considered going crazy. (OK - maybe it was! :-).)

And because I wasn't counting calories, carefully doing sub-totals and working out the balance left over to work out what I will be having for dinner (what is usually the case when eating calorie-variable food on a deviated ND), I went super-mad and made a guacamole dip for my veges (avocados, for those of you not in the know - have a decent caloric load - a small one is about 65 or 70 calories - and I used TWO!!!), AND, ate a processed meat stick - can't remember what they are called - beer sausages? What one does on a day off! (I also walked for two hours, and did a little weight-bearing exercise, ie carrying groceries home. But hey!)

The truly sad thing, or the amazing thing, however you think about it, is (and Andrew and NoCarbs will not be surprised to hear this, nor Jack) is I feel absolutely alive and full of energy and bouncing beans today. More energy than for.... yeah - five weeks! What a surprise. (OK - not! But hey! I'm hungry a lot of the time.) I even did my squats. (Squats are for when I have energy, ie life before Deviated ND.)

I also put on a kilo. I kid you not. (My weight has always been HIGHLY sensitive to food and exercise. People are built different in this way.)

Good thing Lent begins today. Back to the mini-paleo meals. Going into the kitchen to make my green juice, pop my pre-prepard baked apple into the microwave... sigh..

(But gee having a day off felt REALLY good!) Four weeks to go...
 
AloeSvea "But I watched a fabulous youtube segment by William Davis on living wheatlessly ('Wheatlessness: a 21st Century Health Strategy'), and realised, I really didn't want to do a leaky gut /carb hit thing to myself. So back into google search, and back into the kitchen, and I made some modified paleo versions of this bun (ie nut flours, coconut oil, dates and a carrot for sweetening, and dressed with yummy organic cream. Oh god.)"

Do you have the recipe, please, sounds lovely and I could do with the occasional treat? Thanks.
 
AloeSvea said:
Don't forget about me! lol. This is my first day of week 4 on a deviated ND. (I know I am eating food - but trust me - I am still WELL hungry! lol)
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Sorry, you need to let us know more. Don't know how I missed that you were joining the elite group of NDers.
Good luck to you, it is brilliant to feel you can take control and see good. Results in a short time.
 
AloeSvea said:
Don't forget about me! lol. This is my first day of week 4 on a deviated ND. (I know I am eating food - but trust me - I am still WELL hungry! lol)
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Hi Sorry to miss you out, all the best to you too, I too should be joining your gang soon
 
Pipp said:
Sorry, you need to let us know more. Don't know how I missed that you were joining the elite group of NDers.
Good luck to you, it is brilliant to feel you can take control and see good. Results in a short time.
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My fault you missed it - new to posting. Big TY for the encouragement - always nice.

To have decent Fasting Blood Glucose levels is so wonderful I have to keep looking at them to believe they are mine. I now wonder, and hope to a great extent, to maybe, possibly, if I am lucky - to have 'really healthy' levels again one day. Now they are good for a prediabetic (and my HBA1c is still at the dangerous end of intermediate hyperglaecemia), but as I am coming from a FBG at diagnosis of 9.7 (last year in June) and I didn't see prediabetes before that - good for a diabetic/prediabetic is marvellous indeed.

Thanks again for the very nice words of encouragement.
 
Arab Horse said:
AloeSvea "But I watched a fabulous youtube segment by William Davis on living wheatlessly ('Wheatlessness: a 21st Century Health Strategy'), and realised, I really didn't want to do a leaky gut /carb hit thing to myself. So back into google search, and back into the kitchen, and I made some modified paleo versions of this bun (ie nut flours, coconut oil, dates and a carrot for sweetening, and dressed with yummy organic cream. Oh god.)"

Do you have the recipe, please, sounds lovely and I could do with the occasional treat? Thanks.
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I will have to translate it! Give me time for that Arab Horse - it will come anon. (And I can post it in the recipes section? I'll tell you when I get around to it.)

I must say I have always loved baking, but I am new to being the sort of person who posts a recipe. I had to learn to cook properly, good wholesome, and tasty food, once I was diagnosed. Now I can't stop apologising to my now grown up children that I didn't get into it earlier! And can only promise to feed their children better than I fed them. (Thank goodness they loved broccoli! Whew!)
 
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