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Newbie would like help on low carb diet

timps

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:) Hello everyone, I am a newbie on this forum and would like some help please,

I was told 4 wks ago that i am type 2 diabetic but also at the same time told that I have underactive thyroid and high cholesterol.
The low Carb diet sounds very good to me after reading your posts. I am not sure on how many carbs to allow myself daily and will it help with my thyroid and cholesterol as well.
any answers will be very welcome as I have had no help so far on a diet.
I weigh 14 stone 8/10 lbs and am finding it very hard to lose any weight

my glucose was7.8
thyroid 6.7
cholesterol 5.4 ( did not think this was high myself.
Had my bloods done again yesterday but will not know the results until thursday afternoon. when I see the diabetic nurse for the First time. :(
 
Hi Timps and welcome. I'm not sure how carbs will affect your thyroid situation, but I'm sureit will help with cholesterol AND losing weright.
My cholesterol level went from 5.5 where it had been for years to 3.8 with no change in statins. I also lost almost 2 stone and am now at a BMI of 22.
Daisy's note on diet is good, so have a good look at that.
I don't low carb, I'm on about 150grams a day, which is about 50% of the recommended level for a bloke. If you're not sure where to start, maybe you could start at about the same %age which, for a woman, is 125 grams of carbs a day. Then keep testing. if it does the trick, fine. If not, keep reducing the carb level 'till you get to a target sugar level you're happy with. I aim to be below 7.8 at the very most two hours after eating. If I'm not., I know I ate too many carbs in that meal. I don't test much now because I've established the level and type of carbs I can eat. You need to do the same.
Good luck
 
Hi timps and welcome to the forum :) Here is some information for new members that might be useful to you which includes information on carbs. Ask as many questions as you need to as there is always someone who can help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS


Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 
Hello timps and welcome.

They like to get your cholesterol under 4. On your idea to do a low carb diet then agree with everything Grazer has said. The following worked for me and got my blood sugar levels back to normal within around a couple of months or so. Not a cure as I still have to be careful what I eat but am now feeling great! I am really happy that I have minimised the risk of all those nasty complications. I was diagnosed in early December last year so just 4 months ago and have now lost 3 stone in weight as well.

I do low carb at around 60g / day and do that to keep my levels safe which is my priority.

Diet wise its really easy. Just drastically cut down or better cut out all things with plain sugar, so biscuits, cakes, sugar in tea and coffee, pure fruit juices, non diet versions of soft drinks. Next try halving starchy foods like rice, pasta, potatoes, bread, cereals and any other flour based products. Replace what's now missing with extra meat, fish, eggs, cheese and especially vegetables. Vegetables that grow above ground are best although most of us find carrots fine. Things like yoghurt are fine as is a small amount of fresh fruit. I find the ones that end in "berry" are the best. If you don't mind artificial sweeteners things like Diet Coke are fine to drink. On the starchy foods that are left swap to the brown versions as they are better for bloods sugars so brown rice, pasta and bread. The bread that most recommend is actually Bergen soya bread.

The above diet is close to one you would be one recommended to try by the Swedish Health service. It was introduced in that country last year and the American health service and several other countries health services recommend something very similar. You may find it conflicts with advice given to you in this country as we have yet to update and still use older dietary recommendations. In fact we use diet guidelines that are over 30 years old. If you want to read more about the modern ways there is a thread discussing it with some useful links here http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=28402

Next most members would recommend you test your own blood sugar levels. Did your doctor give you a meter and strips? Some do and some don't. It's a bit of a post code lottery and we find some progressive surgeries are pro testing and others anti. I'll warn you the anti ones can sometimes be very vocally anti!

The reason testing is important is you should try and keep your blood sugars below 8ish two hours after eating any meal. Above the 8 value is where the dangers of complications do begin to occur according to diabetic experts. So if you can't test how will you now if what you are eating is keeping you safe? The problem is every diabetic is different so my earlier advice to halve starchy foods is just a rough guide. You may find you need to eat less than half (like me) or that you can eat more than half (like others)

As you get into it all and read around the forum you may see people talking about carb counting. If you want to understand what that is just ask. It is a powerful weapon that a diabetic can use to control their condition and one that many of us use to great effect.

Good luck and keep asking questions.
 
Thank you for the very quick response to my post for help.
I found this very useful, I will be spending a lot of time on here now that friends and help can be found.
It is great to be able to talk over doubts that play on your mind when there are so many questions that need to be answered.
I feel a little more convident about how to find out things now on this forum.
Please give me time to find my way around the boards as not sure of how to do things on here yet but will enjoy finding my way.
Thank you for showing me that I am not alone.
carole :D
 
I forgot to say that my diabetic dietition has said that they do not want me messing about checking on my bloods myself.
This was said to me when making my appointment to see her.
I see her for the first time this thursday, should I ask for sticks? and what if she says no.
carole
NEVER EVER GIVE UP
 
Timps,

Low carbing will help with your hypothyroidism, but you must get your doctor to prescribe some Thyroxine for you. It'a minor miracle that they have actually acknowledged the problem as most thyroid sufferers get ignored for years. You can control a lot of diabetic symptoms with diet but you cannot control your thyroid problem this way very effectively. You may have to really lean on your GP to get medication so don't give up.

A BG meter is the best way for you to know exactly how you're controlling your diabetes but, as you'll find out on this forum, getting meters and prescription strips in some areas is next to impossible, so you might need to lean on them for that too. I shouldn't mention the low carbing as it seems to be frowned on in this country. There's also a lot of info on attitudes to a low carb diet on the forum too.

I don't mean to sound negative, but you'll probably get further if you're firm from the outset (if your surgery isn't helpful that is)

Julia
 
Hi Carole

Ask her why? If she says no then it may be entertaining for everyone to hear her excuse as we get to listen to so many variations from "It sends you mad" to "Sine waves". The honest answer is what I previously posted. Some progressive practices will prescribe meters and strips and others are really anti. A complete post code lottery. However if she's REALLY anti and you ask be prepared for an ear-bashing. My nurse was far more up front and just told me it would cost too much which many suspect is the real motivation. Did you realise that now you are diabetic your gp practice gets £2000 a year for you?

I think most people on the forum would say testing is a good thing and especially at the start when you need to learn what foods are safe and what ones aren't doing you any good. Who's eyes and feet are they anyway, not hers!

If you can't get them prescribed then you could by-pass her and try your gp directly. I'm afraid in a lot of cases forum members end up having to buy meters and strips for themselves. If you get to that point then there is a relatively new meter called an SD Codefree that you can pick up with an initial 50 strips for around £20. It will then cost around £5 / 50 strips to "run". The advantage of that one is the cost of the strips are far lower than other meters. Many new forum members have bought that meter quite recently.

I she's "one of those" dieticians then be prepared for the "starchy carbs with evey meal" mantra rather than a modern sensible diabetic diet that you would be advised to swap to in other countries.

Now you can begin to see why this forum is here!

Take care.
 
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